I’m not Canadian, Thank you Canada, there is hope after all.
So crazy that the Conservative Party still has 144 seats given that they’ve basically signed on to a policy of foreign occupation.
Feels like I’m watching liberated France send Philippe Pétain back in as the Loyal Opposition with 40% of the vote.
That’s not what their base believes. There is a whole other fantasy reality in their channels about how Carney has planned all along to cut a secret deal with Trump after the election. Other justification narratives probably exist as well, because they have to keep people believing that obviously, everyone knows we couldn’t possibly do anything other than completely fold into Trump’s plans. They spew propagandistic garbage like this and teach people to distrust legit media that understands context and checks facts rather than running with conspiracy theories based on flimsy evidence.
The conservatives still turned out a lot of votes. The left just voted strategically to keep them out. Next election the left will split again and we will get the conservatives again. Given the parties recent history even if it isn’t Poilievre I’m sure they will pick another alt right sycophant.
Thoroughly hilarious. Go away Chode boy, nobody likes you!
If Canada had Australian-style preferential voting (i.e. you numbered your candidates in order of preference, and if your first choice got eliminated, your vote cascaded to your second, and so on until it was tallied for your least-disliked of the two leading candidates), the Liberals would have a significantly more comfortable margin (assuming that they got most of the Greens’ preferences and at least half of the NDP)
I believe the whole world would be in much better shape if everyone handled elections like Australia. We certainly wouldn’t have had Trump ever here. When more people vote the Democrats win every time.
I strongly support mandatory voting. If you’re against voting at all for whatever reason, just turn in a blank form. And I’m no big fan of the Democrats, but they wouldn’t be kidnapping people to send them to concentration camps.
We were supposed to get election reform after the liberals won in 2015 and I’m still quite bitter about it
You will never get it top down. The major parties all prefer and benefit from different systems.
If you truely care about electoral reform your best bet is bottom up. Start getting your preferred form into municipal elections. We almost had that in Ontario until Doug showed up and fucked us.
Actually, I live in the first municipality in Canada to use ranked choice voting-- until the provincial government enacted a bill that disallowed it in 2020.
I’ve also been around long enough to have voted in the last Ontario referendum on the topic. It did not go well because people didn’t understand what was being proposed. Same story for BC’s referendum.
I’m merely pointing out the recurring theme over the last couple of decades where the LPC will make electoral reform promises they never fulfill.
Same regarding the last referendum. When that happened I knew for sure it had to be introduced in a smaller lower stakes way which is why I was pretty happy when London used ranked choice (a bright spot for a city whose politicians suck more often than not). Removing that is one of the things I hate most about Doug.
Oh my God you are so right about London politicians.
Remember those useless board of control parasites clinging to their pointless jobs? Or the Liberal legend Joe Fontana?
thisisfine.gif
Well I’m sure they’ll change the status quo that favors them this time.
Not holding my breath
It got closer overnight.
FUCK OFF BACK HOME PIERRE HAHAHAHAHAHA 🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦
PP gone forever? Or is CPC somehow going to give him another seat so he can stay leader?
They can’t give him someone else’s seat. They can ask someone else to resign their seat and he can run in a byelection for that seat but the prime minister (Carney) can wait up to 6 months before calling the byelection, which itself can have a campaign period of up to 50 days.
So if Carney wants to, he can keep PP out of office until at least next year.
The other cool thing is that PP is no longer eligible to occupy Stornoway House, the residence of the leader of the official opposition, since PP no longer has a seat. This means he has to move out and he loses access to the $200k year budget for household staff. So he’ll have to get out there and look for housing like the rest of us plebs (though he can easily afford it).
I wish he’d try working a real job for once in his life.
But realistically, if he we’re going to step down willingly it would have occurred last night. We’ll see if the party sacrifices another MP to let him stay on. Fucking guy.
The latter. This ghoul is not going away.
Yes, that’s where the drama will unfold next. Will there be a civil war, and how many factions will be involved?
Split the right like the left? Sorry, I can only get so erect
Are you young?
The whole saga of how the modern CPC came to fruition was such a back stabby shitshow
A very important thing to remember this election: The Conservatives had a 30-point lead and were set to gain over 200 seats in a sweeping majority victory and they blew it. They blew it and their leader lost his own seat. The fact we even have a Liberal minority at all is incredible.
So while the Conservative party still has a lot of seats, enough Canadians disliked PP and his campaign enough to erode a 30 point lead. PP says he is staying on as party leader but his party would be incredibly foolish to keep him. His campaign cost them a historical election victory and the dude can’t even get elected in his own riding.
Trump won the election for the liberals more than anyone else.
Nah, the Liberals deserve the bigger credit. I don’t necessarily think they could have won without Trump shitting the fan for Conservatives but their actions created the necessary conditions for the win: 1) Drop Trudeau; 2) Don’t pick Freeland, pick a white middle age man from the finance industry; 3) Get rid of the consumer carbon pricing; 4) Focus on the economy instead of progressive values. Without any of these, it would have been a CPC win even with Poilievre wearing a MAGA hat.
pick a white middle age man from the finance industry
“We won! What did we win? … fuck, shit.”
Focus on the economy instead of progressive values
What happens when the black hole of an American recession sucks Canada down along with it in another few years?
American liberals played the same game in 2020. They got four years of Biden. Everyone hated it. And then they sent Trump back up into office like '17-'21 never happened.
American liberals played the same game in 2020. They got four years of Biden. Everyone hated it. And then they sent Trump back up into office like '17-'21 never happened.
Carney has a few advantages over Biden: he is actually liked by true Liberals (so far), he’s not senile and landed the job just because he had decades in the party (on the contrary, he has that outsider business-man status that the middle class loves), and he has a nationalist movement timed nicely for him.
That said, it’s still true that…
What happens when the black hole of an American recession sucks Canada down along with it in another few years?
if this tariff bullshit intensifies, Canada will face a recession under Carney and the country will turn to a conservative government - one that will open the doors for American imperialism, bails out corporations, and cuts services that would save lives of the people that will end up in the streets after losing their jobs. I find it very unlikely that this minority liberal government would survive a significant economic downturn, regardless of who would be in charge of it.
he is actually liked by true Liberals
:-/
he’s not senile
:-)
he has that outsider business-man status that the middle class loves
🤮 I have never actually seen a “business-man” candidate that does well on the merits above the office of mayor. Even then, “business guy” mayors tend to be some of the most shamelessly corrupt and despicable people to touch the office.
But I guess he’s one-for-three, which is better than Biden.
I find it very unlikely that this minority liberal government would survive a significant economic downturn, regardless of who would be in charge of it.
The nature of liberal politics is knowing you’re on a pendulum ride and making the best of whatever time you’ve got. Far too often, I see liberals insist they can ride the pendulum through the conservative arc by just pretending at conservative politics for a few years and then going back to being liberals again a few years later. Conservatives, by contrast, leap at the chance to inject every right-popular policy they can when they’re in office and then scream about obstructionism as they lose popular support.
The consequence of these two strategies executed in cycle is a country that keeps getting ratcheted to the right by degrees. A country - like America - was broadly on board with gay rights and carbon caps and universal public health care and public university education twenty years ago. Now we’re obliterating elementary schools, green-lighting coal ash dumping, and hunting transgender people for sport.
If Carney is going to waste the next few years, Canada is going to be even more fucked for his nominal victory than the UK is looking as it goes into a 28% Reform Party cycle.
Indeed. We dodged the bullet but we’re still sliding downhill. The time for conservatives is coming, unfortunately. I just hope that the next time the pendulum swings back, we get some electoral reform done and more modern and sturdy guardrails to soften the next round.
Still, I daydream myself into hope and into action. No one knows what’s coming long term, so I imagine progress. That’s the only way I can function instead of growing apathetic out of despair. Next cycle I’ll be here once more, campaigning ABC.
PP says he is staying on as party leader but his party would be incredibly foolish to keep him. His campaign cost them a historical election victory and the dude can’t even get elected in his own riding.
You’re not thinking like a Conservative MP. Yess PP lost the run for PM and humiliatingly lost his riding, but overall the party grew in influence and in number of seats tremendously under his leadership. We’re now closer to a two party system, and Conservatives benefit from this tremendously. CPC ate the PPC. I’m 100% sure that they’re chucking this loss to bad luck with Trump timing, they had to reinvent themselves in 3 months. With 2 years of planning (and bootlicking down south), they’ll be better prepared and Poilievre is their winning strategy. In this cycle, the CPC successfully FPTP’ed the NDP and the Greens out of existence. They’re well positioned to a minority govt with Bloc in a few years.
Yess PP lost the run for PM and humiliatingly lost his riding, but overall the party grew in influence and in number of seats tremendously under his leadership.
I agree the Conservatives have grown in influence but I don’t believe it was because of Poilievre. It doesn’t matter who leads the conservative party, the Canadian pendulum was due to swing back to the Cons, he dropped the ball hard, and probably still would have won if it wasn’t for Trump slapping Canada in the face and waking a bunch of us up. Any influence gained was because it was “their turn”, not Poilievre’s leadership.
The question is, did the Conservatives come close to winning because of Poilievre, or did they lose a sure thing because of him? Based on what things looked like 6 months ago, I’d say the latter.
Yeah, I don’t think people wanted Poilievre specifically. They just wanted change.
the Canadian pendulum was due to swing back to the Cons
Sure, for the opposition leader it’s a matter of adding or removing momentum to the pendulum swing. He definitely added a lot of momentum, to the point that the Liberals had to throw the PM and its climate policy under the bus to get one more term. That’s a hell of an effective opposition leader.
Any influence gained was because it was “their turn”, not Poilievre’s leadership.
I’m not saying that he’s a genius or anything, but making good use of your “turn” is not an easy task. He has demonstrated that he’s good at it, to the point of landslide victory projections 6 months ago.
would have won if it wasn’t for Trump slapping Canada in the face
And that’s exactly why it’s going to be easy to brush off his loss. Sure, he’ll face criticism on his failure to pivot the party messaging post-Trudeau, but that was a nearly impossible situation. Would any other CPC MP have done a better job of riling up the conservatives against the Liberals without in the end get blindsided by anti-republican sentiments? Jamil Jivani? I don’t see any reason to believe the CPC will have a better shot with someone else.
If they do end up booting Poilievre out of the leader seat, it will be because the CPC is a bucket of selfish snakes and lizards vying for power. It is possible. Surely someone is salivating at this opportunity. I just find it unlikely, because the vast majority of MPs are satisfied with his work and will simply bide their time, they’ll be better prepared in two years.
I disagree that he is effective in anything other than being not Trudeau and being a contrarian in the American conservative mold. If he was at all a good politician he would not have fumbled this election the way he did. The liberals made some good plays but if PP had spent one minute reading the room instead of playing party over country he might have been PM.
If he manages to hang around until the next one he will probably get in when the left splits again but it won’t be because he’s good at his job it will be because he has a pulse and a name on the ballot under conservative.
But what leader would do better for the party? PP had initially focused on being anti-Trudeau because his party’s policies weren’t going to win. Then, his party got fucked by being associated with Trump and PP tried to keep Trump out of the election.
PP got beat, but he played his political hand relatively well.
My personal belief is that the reason Trudeau resigned is because the Liberal Party got a political consultant to determine what would get the party to a win, and determined that the party needed a more traditional business focused leader to get the win, and that they needed to pick someone with a good image overall. I think where the conservatives failed is picking a pretty faceless generic conservative who is not very accessible and does the old Harper trick of two questions only, and doesn’t even seem to like anything or anybody in Canada very much, and there was no love in particular for the leader, just the Fuck Trudeau crowd banging their endless gong. I think the trouble they have as a party is that none of their members in particular have an appealing personality that connects with people at all, or reflects traditional Canadian values or make anything in the country better, they just gripe about what the Liberals do and try to block it. I do not think many people connect with the empty suits that their party consists of, just angry, stupid or old people who want things to go back in time vote for them, or greedy rich people hoarding wealth.
Unless they get a personable candidate and stay away from social issues like abortion, LGBT issues and the golden calf of health care, they’ll never go anywhere. A tide of ignorance is not going to sway undecided voters, and I think if Canadians have their values threatened we retreat to the safety of the Liberals. I don’t think they have anyone like that in their party at all who could lead, and I don’t think they’re savvy enough to attract someone like that.
I’ll do it. I’m a straight white married man. Business owner with a finance background. I’m also very left wing. I’m the perfect Manchurian candidate.
his party got fucked by being associated with Trump
They fucked themselves by associating with Trump and America’s conservadorism.
Yeah, but what else did they have?
I think it doesn’t matter because it’s never policies that win their game but bullshit. They will have something else,absolutely mundane and replaceable next time.
Hopefully this will signal to the Conservatives that Canadians don’t have any use for a demagogue who attributes the world’s ills to “wokeness,” but I’m not holding my breath.
Conservatives have more seats now so that’s definitely not the lesson they’re learning. Probably this just means that they need to pick a rural district to run their party leader
Look at how close it was. Canada may want to start stomping down the Trump wannabes now or they will be where the US is in about 10 years (or sooner).
An electoral reform wouldn’t hurt.
This is my main thought. Once the immediate threat of Trump is past, the country will return to the global standard of “elect whoever wasn’t running things when everything got worse”. I hope the liberals see that writing on the wall and put electoral reform in place so that the smaller parties stand a chance and aren’t all killed by the usual “strategic voting” nonsense.
I really think it’s Canada’s best shot at not electing a Conservative majority when the party seems to be at peak crazy. I’d really rather not count on them returning to the center over the next 4 years when global politics is more divided than I’ve ever seen.
The Oranges are in a position to push for RCV (simpler, same seats) and continue the push for dental and vision care. Hell, I’ll wear Government Specs .
IMHO, a minority-red gov is a best-case for us.
I mean, the whole reason this happened is they stomped down themselves, with the US power.
I think “stomping down” is the wrong phrase to use. Regardless, I have a couple in my family… Asking them “how do I change your mind” or “what would need to happen for you to even consider the other side” has shown me some people can’t be helped.
I wanted to vote NDP but I felt I had to vote Liberal to negate their PP vote. My riding is liberal this time and I’m super happy.
No. I said what I said. These people are pure evil. They are the new Nazi party.
The ones that can’t be reasoned with; They have to be stomped down. We tried to be nice to the maggots, but it didn’t work.
Yes. This is sadly the case. Nothing else will work. You have to yell at them and harass them. Call them stupid children. Stop doing any form of business with them. For fucks sake, if they are family members cut them out of your life and tell them exactly why you are doing it.
This is the only way you could possibly reform them.
It’s sad to see how many times I’ve seen dehumanising being up voted recently.
Human rights apply even to the worst criminals.
While this is true, I don’t think advocating of “punching fascists” is on a policy level, but rather an individual one.
Why would ask a trans individual to respect the “human rights” of someone that doesn’t even see them as human?
Holy shit I thought Reddit leaking into the fediverse was a problem, I hadn’t yet considered 4chan
deleted by creator
That some primo Trump speech right there my guy. How about we don’t stop of anyone and recognize bad social conditions lead people to make bad choices?
Or you can just enjoy your time being the oppressor I guess.
I’m curious why you’re being down voted so hard.
I’m also curious how I would “stomp down” my family member to not love everything trump does. We’re both Canadian and they haven’t been to the us in my life time…
To me, there’s no talking to the extreme of either side. If a logical and factual conversation can’t change someone’s mind then I don’t know what will.
Because 4 year olds with cancer are being sent to concentration camps in the US. If you can politely talk to your family members and reason with them, this is always ideal. I get that it’s easy to be sucked down the alt-right pipeline. But if they’re literal nazis, far beyond reasoning with, I’m sorry. And if that hurts your feelings, you’re a nazi sympathizer.
Yea. Fuckers are saying “stomp them down seems harsh”, “maybe he doesn’t mean that”.
STOMP THEM DOWN. Crush the movement like they are roaches. These people ARE NOT HUMAN! They think like aliens. They cheer as people are unconstitutionally dragged away to concentration camps … it is a one way trip.
Destroy the Canadian “MAGA” movement now, or get prepped to literally fight them in the streets like the US is doing. Yes, people are physically stopping ICE.
Be careful, dehumanizing your opposition is Nazi shit. I agree they must be stopped but surely some percentage can be deprogrammed.
Doesn’t hurt my feelings at all but just because they’re not following the laws doesn’t mean we can or should ignore the laws. I’m all for letting trump die in the same hole they’re sending the kids to. I also think he should have never been voted in and they need to arrest him months ago.
The MAGA people in general are a problem but they’re not THE problem. If you think they all should be “Stomped down” you’re just as bad as they are, just on a different side.
We need to support and educate people around this and as long as they’re not violent or breaking any laws then there’s nothing that we can really do. Everyone is entitled to an opinion and freedom. Just because you disagree with it, regardless of the side you’re on, doesn’t mean we can or should stomp them down.
Let me get this out of the way. We are 100% in agreement or at least 99%. But I don’t think you understand, a large portion of these people ARE the problem. These people couldn’t give a flying fuck about education, that’s why they voted for people to dismantle the education system.
Look, if there still isn’t something you’re getting, it’s probably because you don’t have the bigger picture. The very same “innocent people” you talk about are cheering this on in the US. Don’t assume people’s intentions based on your own.
You’re not talking to an extremist, but someone who has tried to love and educate these people for years. It’s just not working because they already know what they stand for.
Cut them out of your life until they change their ways.
I have seen them cry about relatives doing it.
deleted by creator
Stomping down is the right phrase. Americans should have been making MAGAs afraid to leave their houses the past four years.
Well, what would change your mind and have you vote conservative?
Having the conservatives stop trying to harm and kill people would be a start.
But that’s the point. Conservatism is the opposite of progress.
My main points are free health care, dont ruin the earth, and minimum wage should be able to afford a life if they work 40 hours a week.
I don’t care the title or label of the party. Show me the person running who is kind, well spoken, and wants these three things and I’ll vote for them.
what would change your mind and have you vote conservative
The cons would have to ditch their main tenets: bootstraps, mercenary healthcare, hating teh geys, hating the ‘ethnics’(my drunkard uncle’s words) … so, yeah: hate. They’d have to ditch hate and smarmy elitism.
As someone watching from the US (and who has looked at possibly
immigratingemigrating there) that’s what I noticed too. It seemed like the split wasn’t too far from Trump’s current approval rating. Luckily Canada doesn’t have to deal with the disaster that is the electoral college. This result however does make me really concerned about Canada’s next big election.My hope is that the CCP* splits and/or reforms into a more moderate and respectable party, so that at least it won’t be fucking armageddon in the event that they win a future election. But if I know conservatives worldwide, they won’t learn shit.
(Edit: CCP, not UCP)
Sorry for pedantry but I only mention it in case you’re serious about the move you might end up using the words a lot - in this case you might like the word “emigrate” to describe what you’ll be doing as from your current position you would be describing the action from the “leaving” perspective more than the arriving.
You’re good mate. I actually thought what I wrote seemed wrong when I did it, but I was needing to do something and fired it off without double checking. Thanks.
The only stomping I want is Stomping Tom Conners
edit: and STOMP
How do you defeat the Music Man who was basically a con man? I wondered about what they sounded like and looked them up to see if they used hypnosis and con man techniques like Trump. Nope, just basic con man tactics.
Canada is not the United States. Not to say we don’t have our share of problems, but saying that a political flyweight like Petey Rockhare is some sort of Trump is weirdly unfair to both
It’s not about the individual politicians at this stage. It’s about nurturing a certain sentiment until a really popular person comes along and sweeps up a majority. Source: I’m from the US.
Well done.
Please let Dutton (also, Voldemort, Potatohead etc, Australian conservative leader) be next :)
So, now what for Poilievre?
Maybe the knives come out and he’s forced out as Conservative leader. I mean, he had a 20 percentage point lead over the Liberals and lost it. That has to piss them off. All he needed to do is do what Doug Ford did and stand up for Canada and against Trump.
But, if he doesn’t step down, where does he get someone to step down so he can run in a by-election? If he wants to stay near Ottawa, he’ll really have to move somewhere rural. He doesn’t strike me as the kind of guy who actually likes rural people or rural life very much. Or, he could move to Alberta. Lots of safe Conservative ridings in Alberta, some are even in urban areas. But, will they want a guy who is the very model of a carpet-bagger? A politician who has never had a job outside of politics, not just from “Ottawa” meaning the federal government, but who has literally lived in Ottawa(ish) for years?
I hope they ditch him. I’m sure the conservative party could do a lot worse, but there’s also a chance they could find a leader who has actually done something with their lives outside politics, and who has their own ideas, not just reheated culture war crap from Canada’s Shorts and just shouting down anything the Liberals suggest.
He lost his seat. He’s toast. He’ll be writing op-eds for Postmedia in a month.
He will get a $20,000 per month for life pension, unless he renounces suckling at the teat of the public purse and gets a real job.
So, he will get a $20,000 per month for life pension.
How will he get that? Serious question
He’s been in parliament his whole career. He’s never had a real job. He gets an MP’s pension.
That’s a ridiculous pension jfc
A real man of the people. Remember that he wanted to cut taxes on the wealthy, but services for the rest of us to pay for it, and run up an extra $100 billion of debt over the next four years.
Good riddance
Writing op-eds for Postmedia is not a real job, to be fair.
I’m sure Rebel has a seat open for him.
do what Doug Ford did and
stand up for Canada and against Trumpgrandstand at a podium for the cameras.There. Fixed that for ya.
Sure, phrase it that way if you want. But, the point is, he did something to convince people he was anti-Trump and standing up for Canadians and it worked. Poilievre didn’t do that and lost.
Carney is the kind of person that Trump has always tried to impress. Polievre is the kind of person and Trump has always turned into a sniveling sycophant. We’re better off with Carney.
He just has to move one riding over to Lanark.
He’s a city boy though, would he survive living in Carleton Place? Also, the conservative candidate there only won by 5 percentage points. There’s probably a risk that if he ran there he’d lose again. Same name as his riding, but definitely no longer just suburban.
Please no.
As a woman, a lesbian, a disabled person, and someone who thinks all humans deserve rights… I am so relieved. I voted Liberal for the first time in my life, and was glad to do it - Carney makes me hopeful again for the first time in a long time.
Carney is a neoliberal banker. This guy has abused every tax loop hole in the book. He’s still better than the fascist conservatives, but I won’t be getting my hopes up.
If I could have voted NDP without tossing my vote away into the wind, I would have. Instead of being negative about it, get involved. Call, write, engage, and otherwise communicate with your elected officials, your community; we are lazy and complicit, and it’s shameful.
Sorry. I don’t want to take this feeling of victory away from you. I’m just worried that we just elected more business as usual.
Do you honestly think we can defeat growing world-wide fascism with some letters? Maybe if the letters are a guillotine I don’t see a way forward.
I have the weirdest fucking headache, and the release of tension is all I can think of to explain it.
Smoking is bad.
You’re allowed to fire one up if you manage to beat back the creeping ride of fascism for a while.
It’s obviously a joint. This is Canada after all.
Oh that’s fine then.
I’m anti-smoker myself.
It’s about the sentiment conveyed.
Mkay
