Since Lemmy is federated, and the admins of each instance choose what’s allowed and what’s not in their own instance.

How do you feel about what’s allowed and what’s not in your current instance ?

I’ll start: I’ve read people complaining about my instance admins, but I haven’t experienced nor seen anything I specifically disagree with.

And I’ve read things they wrote that I absolutely agree with, like not federating with Meta under any circumstances.

So for now, I’m happy with it. If I get banned randomly, I don’t think I’d go to a different instance, though. I’d probably just stop visiting Lemmy altogether.

  • Lettuce eat lettuce@lemmy.ml
    331·
    7 days ago

    .ml here, I’m happy with this community. I know the reputation it has, but honestly, I haven’t really seen it. I’m a hardcore leftist, but I’ve been very critical of China, Russia, etc. And I’m not a tankie. Obviously haven’t been banned or had my comments removed.

    The mods here seem quite reasonable, and of course if folks don’t agree, there are a lot of other instances.

    I used to be a free-speech absolutist when I was young, but then I realized that there isn’t such a thing. Even the few places online that pride themselves on having “no censorship” like 4-chan still have a handful of things that they don’t allow.

    Quite frankly, I think those places are pretty nasty overall and I have no desire to emulate them. Racists, Pedos, lgbt-phobes don’t need a platform or to have their opinions elevated or taken seriously.

    I wouldn’t think a top university’s physics department is improved by devoting classes and curriculum to flat earth or 7-day creationism. Likewise, I don’t think a forum or server is made better by allowing racists and bigots to have a safe space on it.

    Of course, you have to decide what crosses the line, but welcome to real life. There’s a difference between a hardcore neo-nazi who thinks Jews and black folks are literal sub-humans, and your 87 year-old grandpa who unironically calls the employees at his favorite asian buffet, “Chinamen.”

    • tiredturtle@lemmy.ml
      31·
      6 days ago

      In general communities it’s ok here but in global events it’s easy to see in the modlog that certain topics which are not favorable for Socialist-In-Name-Only are hidden very fast.

    • daggermoon@lemmy.world
      2·
      6 days ago

      I haven’t really had any bad experiences with .ml communities or users. I consider myself a Marxist actually. I mostly saw the China, Russia, and North Korean dick sucking on Reddit. I remember someone on Reddit actually arguing that leftists should use Redstar OS (North Korean Linux distro designed to spy on its users) because its made by a socialist country that cares about its people. Guess that’s why they’re executed for stealing bread. I’m sorry about your instances bad reputation, I really haven’t seen it. Besides, there are assholes in every community.

    • socsa@piefed.socialEnglish
      12·
      5 days ago

      I have been banned twice from .ml just for mentioning that Russia shot down a civilian airplane in Ukraine (the first time)

      • Lettuce eat lettuce@lemmy.ml
        2·
        6 days ago

        Can’t really speak to specifics. I’ll just say that there are definitely posts on .ml news and commentary communities that go against the typical views of many .ml members, and they are left up by the mods and allowed to be discussed and debated.

        Every community has censorship, it’s a spectrum. But that’s what I love about the federation model and FOSS in general. There are always different communities with different focuses and standards, something for everybody. And still we all have the freedom to block content we don’t want to see or support.

    • infinite_ass@leminal.space
      26·
      7 days ago

      I think 99.99% of Lemmy is hardcore leftist so it’s no wonder they don’t fuck with you, so it’s no wonder that you have no complaints.

      • MarxMadness@lemmygrad.mlEnglish
        111·
        7 days ago

        If “hardcore leftist” is defined as “left of Joe Biden,” then sure. Within that group there are a wide range of opinions.

      • Cowbee [he/they]@lemmy.ml
        81·
        7 days ago

        Lemmy largely has 3 camps, the Anarchists, the Marxists, and the Liberals, and each instance leans overwhelmingly in one or 2 of those directions. Looking at the number of active users on each instance, at this point it’s fair to say that the liberal camp is probably the largest, as much as I wish that wasn’t true.

        That does make for ample radicalization territory, however.

  • pH3ra@lemmy.ml
    285·
    7 days ago

    “Censorship” has become a buzzword and lost all of its meaning

    • SorteKanin@feddit.dk
      6·
      6 days ago

      The line is at least very blurred with moderation. One person’s moderation is another person’s censorship.

      • ShimmeringKoi [comrade/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
        51·
        7 days ago

        It’s meaning in abstract is simple, but it’s actual manifestations are usually quite complex. Self-censorship for example: If you self-censor out of fear of a negative social reaction, to what degree is that actually someone else stopping you from talking? Everyone else, or the idea of everyone else? I would say that any view that’s held by a group of people that’s pervasive enough to cause others to calibrate their words towards them, any cultural context strong enough that visitors feel a need to adjust for it, automatically and unconsciously practices censorship.

        • infinite_ass@leminal.space
          31·
          7 days ago

          My experience with it has always been “they don’t like me talking so they stopped me”. Pretty simple. I speculate that this is the general case.

          But yes, I have encountered the odor of that second variety a few times. Just the odor tho. I am not one to restrain my speech for fear of offending. On social media anyway.

  • robocall@lemmy.world
    8·
    7 days ago

    I’ve been thinking about switching over to lemmy.today as it’s not currently defederated with anyone, so I can decide who to block and keep for myself. It’s based in Oregon, and I like the idea of joining an instance close to me. I do worry about Lemmy.world being so overly dominate in the federated-lemmy-space.

    But many of the communities that I participate in are lemmy.world, and it’s nice that they send me an automated notice whenever a post/comment of mine is removed. I’ve already subscribed to many communities and would have to do that all over again. and I haven’t thought of a creative new username.

  • Shimitar@feddit.it
    5·
    6 days ago

    I am the only (AFAIK) Italian instance and pretty happy. No censorship.

    I don’t know how people from Lemmy.world stand it, honestly.

      • klemptor@startrek.website
        2·
        6 days ago

        I don’t generally say hateful things, so no risk of being censored for that, and I like that my instance doesn’t censor anything that could possibly be considered a slur the way .ml does.

        I was originally on .ml and I remember seeing a comment that had a legitimate use of a word that could be considered a slur in another context. I don’t remember the exact scenario, but it was something equivalent to saying “response time retardation” in relation to drunk driving. And “retardation” was censored, which created unnecessary confusion. I’d been thinking of switching instances anyway, and that silly little example is what pushed me over the edge. I guess I’d rather not be cushioned from every word that might be hurtful, especially when doing so can cause confusion.

        No hate or disrespect to .ml, by the way - I’m very grateful to Dessalines and crew for creating lemmy and Jerboa, and I respect their right to administer their instance the way they see fit. To me that’s the neat thing about the fediverse - it allows for a “different strokes for different folks” approach. :)

        • sudoer777@lemmy.ml
          2·
          6 days ago

          Yeah the exact thing you described happened here as well, it’s a tiny bit annoying although not enough for me to switch instances over

  • needanke@feddit.org
    11·
    6 days ago

    I am very happy with feddit.org . I have not seen an issue with overmoderation, but I have also not seen a problem with spam or trolling. I believe hexbear is (rightfully so) defederated but other then that i did not notice any defederations.

    The do not allow pornography which I support as you would essentially be hosting it yourself when it is federated which can become icky quickly. But I think this is a bit of a difference to other instances.

    The instance also has a nice little community which is active enough to not be boring but small enough to feel like a community (might also be because of having a common language)

  • balsoft@lemmy.ml
    11·
    6 days ago

    I’ve had some disagreements with admins of my instance and mods of some communities here and I’m yet to be banned. So, it’s alright I suppose. Although I must say that I’m on the same general side of the political spectrum as the admins.

  • mholiv@lemmy.world
    26·
    7 days ago

    Supper happy with lemmy.word

    You can actually have a conversation there without the whole thing being taken over by people who write like they are edgy 14 year old American tankies.

        • ComradeMiao@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
          24·
          8 days ago

          My name is a pun off of miao being meow in chinese but sounds similar to Mao. But yes, that is where their censorship is and I disagree with it, but I also disagree with lemmygrad/hexbear censorship.

          • Cowbee [he/they]@lemmy.ml
            452·
            7 days ago

            I elaborated on my views in my top level comment here, but you can’t avoid “censorship.” You can only pick which bias you want to see more of. Lemmygrad and Hexbear are more open with their biases, and can be trusted to uphold that bias very reliably. Lemmy.world is more subtle, it focuses on selective defederation and selective removals and bans in order to carefully prune a demographic.

            Dbzer0 is interesting, it’s mostly tech nerds and those enthusiastic about Anarchism, while remaining federated with Lemmy.world, Hexbear, and Lemmy.ml while defederating from Lemmygrad. As such, it generally leans techy Anarchist with a large influx of Liberals from Lemmy.world and some Marxists from Hexbear on occasion. It isn’t as heavy handed with removals as Lemmy.world is in my experience, but it definitely is selective with what the mods and admins consider “acceptable Marxism.”

            • ComradeMiao@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
              15·
              8 days ago

              Thanks for the knowledgeable break down :)

              I didn’t know much of that especially dbzer0 federating hexbear but not lemmygrad. Wonder why?

              You’re smart about knowing the clear biases versus the more subtle one’s. Well said!

              I never had any particular problem at lemmy.world but I really didn’t like their Luigi decision. The admin of dbzer0 seems nice. I directly asked about not liking ai, which is their focus, and they were very chill in their response

              • Cowbee [he/they]@lemmy.ml
                331·
                8 days ago

                dbzer0 as an instance considers Lemmygrad to be “fake” Marxist-Leninists (which I believe to be sourced from the western-anarchist demographic of dbzer0 in general, rather than actual familiarity with Marxism-Leninism), the geopolitical stance of dbzer0 as an instance is contrary to Lemmygrad and thus the admins deemed this to be an absolute difference. That said, dbzer0 themself is more symapathetic towards Hexbear as Hexbear has a very large number of Anarchists as well as Marxists, and dbzer0 is an Anarchist.

                As for Lemmy.world, I have had my own issues with it and been thoroughly soured by them, you can check my modlog if you want to see it, I don’t really want to turn this into a drama post.

                In case you check my modlog, here is the context for the Playstation@Lemmy.zip ban. The moderator banned me for calling out their regurgitation of white supremacist “anti-DEI” nonsense about non-white people being included in God of War. They since deleted their account and locked the sub, now its just bot posts for the most part.

                • ComradeMiao@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
                  8·
                  8 days ago

                  Thanks for further explaining! How did you learn all this?

                  How do I check your specific modlog? I’ve also had some people randomly attacking me….

        • GHiLA@sh.itjust.works
          132·
          8 days ago

          They want to keep their noses clean so they can continue being the main character of Lemmy.

          All hail the non-offesive median opinion and saying Lu1g1 to bypass filters.

      • ComradeMiao@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
        471·
        8 days ago

        Admin’s didn’t like Luigi discussions to the point of not allowing discussion of Jury nullification. It wasn’t not supporting violence but not supporting most discussion of this topic. To me, that shows protection of a certain neoliberal class. Like the opposite of lemmygrad.