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    Early warning signs of fascism:

    1.) Powerful and continuing expressions of nationalism

    2.) Disdain for the importance of human rights

    3.) Identification of enemies/scapegoats as a unifying cause

    4.) The supremacy of the military/avid militarism

    5.) Rampant sexism

    6.) A controlled mass media

    7.) Obsession with national security

    8.) Religion and ruling elite tied together

    9.) Power of corporations protected

    10.) Power of labor suppressed or eliminated

    11.) Disdain and suppression of intellectuals and the arts

    12.) Obsession with crime and punishment

    13.) Rampant cronyism and corruption

    14.) Fraudulent elections

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      so you mean to tell me my country was fascist all along

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        It’s a sliding scale and it’s recently descended into unambiguously facist territory.

        Its like diagnosing a disease: just one symptom isn’t conclusive, but when you have all the known symptoms you can be pretty sure what it is.

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        The Democrats were less obvious but still bow down to corporations.

        "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power.” — Benito Mussolini.

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          Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power.

          i’m struggling to think of a single capitalist state i have some knowledge of that doesn’t work like this. there are probably a few of them…?

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            Merger is the key word.

            Corporates do have some power, to greater or lesser degrees, in most government systems. But very few have the level of control over writing laws and paying politicians that the USA has.

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                  oh we had a literal fascist as our head of state very recently and the current one reminds me of us democrats, as in he barely even acknowledges it properly, and even lets fascist policy pass. i think this is definetly a sign lololol

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            Corporatism doesn’t have to come with racism. Technically fascism neither, but nobody uses it like that.

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                  oh, they divide by sex and gender too. and they are literally deporting people because of the place they came from in the us.

                  and more.

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        Freedom of the Press still exist

        Exhibit A: The journalist that just exposed the government fucked up on OPSEC, and their attempt to shield their communications from official records as mandated by law, via the use of Signal

        Not completely fascist, yet.

        Then one day, out of nowhere, you’ll hear a bunch of helicopters hovering, sirens wailing, your browser says “Unable to connect”, calls get dropped, SMS says “undeliverable”, phone says “Emergency Only” instead of the carrier name. Then you’ll go to the grocerry store and on the way there, you see a bunch of soldiers with a roadblock thing and… it’s a checkpoint…

        …aaand enjoy! This is the Bad Place (now the actual Bad Place)

        The auto-coup will not be televised (not for those within the regime anyways.

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          Freedom of the Press still exist

          lol. Gotta remember freedom means dollars and press means buying politicians.

          Not to mention the many actual journalists murdered by empire. There have been hundreds in palestine alone… Plus prisoners like chelsea manning, etc.

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            in palestine

            Palestine is under Israeli occupation, and as we all know, Israel doesn’t care about human rights.

            prisoners like chelsea manning

            Publishing the documents weren’t the crime, the crime was obtaining it illegally.

            Similarly, Edward Snowden obtained it illegally, but Glenn Greenwald got it legally from Snowden who has already already obtained the documents. So that’s why Snowden has a criminal case, while the journalist Greenwald never got in trouble for it.

            This is not to say that I agree with their prosecutions, I do not. It’s just that, legally, that’s what’s not currently protected by the First Amendment (although it really should be protected).

            In this case, Jeffrey Goldberg obtained it legally via someone else’s fuck up, that’s why he didn’t get in trouble (yet, but since this administration does not obey laws… we’ll see if anything happens).

            Greenwald and Goldberd would’ve never been able to publish it if this was Russia or China. (Although, it seems like the US is heading in that direction now)

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        USA was founded by slavers who were the pre-cursors to fascism.

        USA was fascist from inception even before fascism.

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        They helped building it, by constantly taking the “moral high ground” (succumbing to fascists, not calling them fascists because some people making racist jokes might weren’t actually fascists).

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    First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—
         Because I was not a socialist.
    
    Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—
         Because I was not a trade unionist.
    
    Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
         Because I was not a Jew.
    
    Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
    
    • Martin Niemöller

    Just in case people don’t know the original.

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      That’s not the original.
      Hint: any version that doesn’t mention “communists” is “filtered”.

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        Good call, I didn’t know that. This is the original

        Als die Nazis die Kommunisten holten,
        habe ich geschwiegen,
        ich war ja kein Kommunist.
        
        Als sie die Sozialdemokraten einsperrten,
        habe ich geschwiegen,
        ich war ja kein Sozialdemokrat.
        
        Als sie die Gewerkschafter holten,
        habe ich geschwiegen,
        ich war ja kein Gewerkschafter.
        
        Als sie mich holten,
        gab es keinen mehr,
        der protestieren konnte.
        

        It’s not straight forward to translate, because there is no active verb in English for “to remain silent”.

        When the Nazis came and took the communists 
        I remained silent
        Since I wasn't a communist.
        
        When they imprisoned the social democrats 
        I remained silent
        Since I wasn't a social democrat.
        
        When they took the trade unionists 
        I remained silent
        Since I wasn't a trade unionist.
        
        When they took me
        There was no one left
        Who could protest. 
        
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            Good idea, but I think “remain silent” applies a bit more generally. The phrase “you have the right to remain silent” is always translated to “sie haben das Recht zu schweigen”. So I went with that.

            (“schweigen” being the verb I’m looking for here)

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              I think I’d say ‘I kept silent’ as more common or ‘I kept quiet’, probably an even more common phrase. ‘Kept’ would be slightly more ‘active’ than remained I think.

              But “remain” does some nice extra poetic work here; it foreshadows another usage of [narrator’s] “remains” - the corpse or ashes or whatever lifeless material is left after their death.

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        Good point. I forgot about the communist part and only copied the first one on wiki due to laziness. Thanks for reminding me.

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            Wikipedia is not an entity, it’s a collective. You, personally, can fix whatever is incorrect there. And some would say, should.

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            Not that I love wiki or anything, but in their defense, the translated original is below the one I copied. Only separated by a sentence or two. I didn’t read them out of laziness, so that’s on me.

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    Trump’s implied support for Erdogan is also considered to be one of the reasons why Erdogan’s trying this hard to keep himself as the leader even though protests are riling up all around the country. Speak out for us too.

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    We’re past the point of speaking out.

    I would like for you to consider why the US constitution outlines free speech in its first amendment, and the right to bear arms in the second. The reason why is not that different than the principal of charity, or the social contract of tolerance. The first amendment outlines and sets speech, language, as the first step in challenging authority. But implicit in that principal, is the idea that governments are precluded from not listening, or not being available to that speech. It is literally in why the US constitution is structured the way it is, in putting limits and restraints on governments, not people.

    We have devolved long past the point where free speech is respected by the US government, under any interpretation of the words.

    The second, is an enshrining of the right to to the use of violence when the first is no longer being respected.

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    You need to do more than speak out though. We’ve been speaking out about Trump for a decade and he’s was reflected and is currently breaking America to rebuild it into some kind of dictatorship.

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      As awful as he is, I think he serves a good example of the opposite being true. It can serve as a warning.

      “If we give any President this authority, someone like Donald Trump could use it if they ever got elected.”

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        Not buying American products. Supporting political candidates that support Ukraine (that’s more relevant in other countries, in the UK support for Ukraine is pretty much universal even in the extreme right-wing parties, UK doesn’t like Russia).

        Presumably you want me to charge the Bastille though.

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          So you’ve boycutted Coca Cola, and vote how you would’ve anyway.

          You are making my point for me.

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            You’re right I should be a rude prick online that’ll really help.

            So what radical actions are you taking comrade sarcastic dick?

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              First one, and this one is very important: be violent towards Nazis. If someone in your near vicinity talks nazi trash, punch them in their fucking faces. We will not tolerate their bullshit in our streets.

              Secondly, keep yourself informed, to help keeping other people informed. Not about what the Trump governments latest distractions are, but about stuff like special elections, where Democrats have a chance of taking Republican seats. They just flipped a historically unopposed conservative Senate seat to be democrat.

              And third, campaign for progressives who are trying to unseat “moderate” democrats who vote with republicans in America. I might never even set foot in America myself, but the consequences worldwide if trump successfully turns America fascist are insane.

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                I am all for punching nazis.

                However, I think what seems- key after seeing how people can be manipulated into voting against their own interests and instead for things like Brexit and MAGA… people can be really fucking stupid - and if they’re convinced that actually it’s this other reason they’re being told is the cause of their problems…. Them receiving a punch to the face means they shut off from any possibility of reasonable explanation and deprogramming. Idk. I just think what’s happening right now is a lot more nuanced than your vitriol presents. I don’t think we can punch our way out of this problem.

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                Good for you, but as I already said I’m not American, I’m not in America, so I can’t vote in your elections and I can’t talk to republican voters because there aren’t any here. There are plenty of right-wing voters in the UK but they have completely different priorities to US Republicans, they’re not equivalent.

                So what else can I do being so remote?

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                  Dude I’m Danish. Plus, i never said anything about talking to Republican voters…

                  I talked about helping to keep the democratic voters informed about special elections where they have a chance to turn the power in government.

                  You can do that online no problem.

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                  but as I already said I’m not American

                  then go talk about tea and scones somewhere else