If the murder of the United Healthcare CEO is horrible news…
At the very annual general meeting that would have occurred had this not happened, would there have been a word describing the horribleness of the news that United made billions more than last year off the backs of American policy holders, American doctors/nurses/physicians/pharmacists, American taxpayers? I highly doubt it.
Every dollar in profit is the standard extraction of value from people, which may be warranted at a fixed rate for the services provided. Every dollar in increased profit is a squeezing of their customers, hopefully for an enhanced service to them in return. In healthcare, it was found that an enhanced return in value to customers was no longer necessary, when making money in crushing people’s lives is more profitable, legal and encouraged by shareholders and management.
It is bad that vigilantism is being celebrated (though I’ll admit to being aboard the “laugh about this specific murder” train).
But I think the reason that this is being celebrated is that this is the only kind of justice this guy could have ever faced because his crime is legal
Well those are their buddies who sign their outrageous checks. Of course millionaires are protecting billionaires and other millionaires. Class interests come before all else.
It’s a moment of catharsis, its that drop of blood against a psychopathic group of people using their power and control to decide whether we get to live or die and mostly choose to let us die.
At this point it feels like we’re in general are mostly out of options. Legislation hasn’t worked the ACA didn’t address the power health insurance companies have over us, voting with our wallet doesn’t work on an inelastic industry where every single person needs health care, the courts are bought out by these wealthy psychos.
Either we just live with the current and keep dying unnecessarily or we use the last box of civic engagement.
I think that what is… idk, encouraging? about it is that we finally saw them flinch. After years of seeing justice go unserved and the villains thumb their nose at the law with full confidence that they’ll walk away unscathed, we got to see a slight chill, like they just learned that they may be mortal after all. Unfortunately, it’s also shown that the institutions can’t be trusted to do the right thing, and as long as they continue to be as feckless as they are, we’re going to see more of this. So, ultimately, inadvertently, the institutions are encouraging this vigilantism.*
I fully expect this to fade away soon as our “society” has the collective attention span of a dust mite, but we have to celebrate small victories wherever they come.
*or they could be encouraging it intentionally as a means to further break down our foundations </tinfoil>
One thing is that a company does work, gets a fair payment from that, and if you do a lot of work, you get a lot of payment
A whole other subject is when you squeeze every last dejt out of the people you say you work for
A completely different subject is when your company’s policies are so bad that you cause untold suffering and literally thousands of preventable deaths.
We shouldn’t need not want a vigilante shooter, these people (CEO’s of these kinds of companies) should all be in jail for life.
I’m a CTO at a small medical supplier company and I work hard to make sure we’re ethical. I can honestly claim were ethnical. We’re a bunch of people trying to make life easier for others, for doctors and patients. None of us are rich, but we are passionate and we honestly want to grow the company not by squeezing every cent out of our customers, we grow by just making sure we’re the best and fairest. It is very possible to be c level and to be ethical, but it has to be a choice.
Finally, a genuine and intelligent question. Thanks for that, so far I just got idiots responding
Private, of course.
When having a publicly traded company, it’s almost impossible to be ethical. Publicly traded companies should be outlawed. Investments here and there are fine, but the current system as-is is indeed fucked up
Yup, that’s where I was heading with that. Its weird how hard it is to be ethical and not get your ass sued for shareholder value issues in a public company.
The way it currently works makes it that publicly traded companies basically MYST be unethical to succeed. It’s really strange how any of this is legal at all
I’m a CTO at a small medical supplier company and I work hard to make sure we’re ethical.
Good for you, tell me, what is the average wage/compensation for your company? What is the ratio of CEO pay to worker pay?
Do you know those numbers off the top of your head? Does anyone but the CFO know? If you don’t know those numbers off the top of your head, you aren’t really trying your best to be ethical.
Sorry but you have a rotten attitude. Nothing is enough, people trying suck anyway, and no true Scotsman!
Here: I have a relatively high salary, it’s give or take a little over twice the country’s average. My salary is about twice as high as the lowest salary at the company. The lowest salary at the company is slightly below he country’s average. I’m also the first to enter, the last to leave, and I work on the weekends as well to try and give my best to everyone. Not bragging, it is what it is. I also live in a < 500sqft apartment with my wife, and I’m totally happy with it, we don’t need more. I’m not rich, I’m upper middle class at best.
I don’t know the salaries of the other C levels, but I know how they live and what they drive and where they spend their vacations; Their salaries are comparable to mine. I got my salary because of the shit tonne I give tonhe company, same goes for the other C levels.
Your attitude of " everyone who has more than me is evil" is shit and is also part of the reason why things are as bad as they are. Goes for all people who think that any company automatically is evil because some companies are. There are LOADS of people who just work hard for what they have and who really try to make sure other have it good too.
You don’t get to judge me, so take your damned attitude and fuck off until you can behave normal
I’m sorry but you’re not ethical. I’m sure you’re doing your best but you’re a small fish in a very unethical ocean. It’s not your fault, you’re just another cog in the machine.
I’m getting REALLY tired of reading “fuck your attitude” multiple times in your comments, chief. You need to correct that language or you need to leave-- or more preferably get tossed out on your arse.
If the murder of the United Healthcare CEO is horrible news…
At the very annual general meeting that would have occurred had this not happened, would there have been a word describing the horribleness of the news that United made billions more than last year off the backs of American policy holders, American doctors/nurses/physicians/pharmacists, American taxpayers? I highly doubt it.
Every dollar in profit is the standard extraction of value from people, which may be warranted at a fixed rate for the services provided. Every dollar in increased profit is a squeezing of their customers, hopefully for an enhanced service to them in return. In healthcare, it was found that an enhanced return in value to customers was no longer necessary, when making money in crushing people’s lives is more profitable, legal and encouraged by shareholders and management.
It is bad that vigilantism is being celebrated (though I’ll admit to being aboard the “laugh about this specific murder” train).
But I think the reason that this is being celebrated is that this is the only kind of justice this guy could have ever faced because his crime is legal
If CEOs get to celebrate making money by killing people we get to celebrate vigilantism.
At least with vigilantism fewer people die.
People should have re-optimized the economy a long time ago.
Dont beat yourself up about it. Look at the context the public still has the last time billionaire died it was a submersible.
The reaction to that and this are very similar except the challenge deep wasn’t involved to making healthcare unaffordable.
Not to mention Rick Scott also defrauded millions from medicare in Fl
Almost as if the media values billionaires way more than the average person does.
Well those are their buddies who sign their outrageous checks. Of course millionaires are protecting billionaires and other millionaires. Class interests come before all else.
It’s a moment of catharsis, its that drop of blood against a psychopathic group of people using their power and control to decide whether we get to live or die and mostly choose to let us die.
At this point it feels like we’re in general are mostly out of options. Legislation hasn’t worked the ACA didn’t address the power health insurance companies have over us, voting with our wallet doesn’t work on an inelastic industry where every single person needs health care, the courts are bought out by these wealthy psychos.
Either we just live with the current and keep dying unnecessarily or we use the last box of civic engagement.
I think that what is… idk, encouraging? about it is that we finally saw them flinch. After years of seeing justice go unserved and the villains thumb their nose at the law with full confidence that they’ll walk away unscathed, we got to see a slight chill, like they just learned that they may be mortal after all. Unfortunately, it’s also shown that the institutions can’t be trusted to do the right thing, and as long as they continue to be as feckless as they are, we’re going to see more of this. So, ultimately, inadvertently, the institutions are encouraging this vigilantism.*
I fully expect this to fade away soon as our “society” has the collective attention span of a dust mite, but we have to celebrate small victories wherever they come.
*or they could be encouraging it intentionally as a means to further break down our foundations </tinfoil>
One thing is that a company does work, gets a fair payment from that, and if you do a lot of work, you get a lot of payment
A whole other subject is when you squeeze every last dejt out of the people you say you work for
A completely different subject is when your company’s policies are so bad that you cause untold suffering and literally thousands of preventable deaths.
We shouldn’t need not want a vigilante shooter, these people (CEO’s of these kinds of companies) should all be in jail for life.
I’m a CTO at a small medical supplier company and I work hard to make sure we’re ethical. I can honestly claim were ethnical. We’re a bunch of people trying to make life easier for others, for doctors and patients. None of us are rich, but we are passionate and we honestly want to grow the company not by squeezing every cent out of our customers, we grow by just making sure we’re the best and fairest. It is very possible to be c level and to be ethical, but it has to be a choice.
Private or public company?
Finally, a genuine and intelligent question. Thanks for that, so far I just got idiots responding
Private, of course.
When having a publicly traded company, it’s almost impossible to be ethical. Publicly traded companies should be outlawed. Investments here and there are fine, but the current system as-is is indeed fucked up
Yup, that’s where I was heading with that. Its weird how hard it is to be ethical and not get your ass sued for shareholder value issues in a public company.
The way it currently works makes it that publicly traded companies basically MYST be unethical to succeed. It’s really strange how any of this is legal at all
Good for you, tell me, what is the average wage/compensation for your company? What is the ratio of CEO pay to worker pay?
Do you know those numbers off the top of your head? Does anyone but the CFO know? If you don’t know those numbers off the top of your head, you aren’t really trying your best to be ethical.
Oh fuck your attitude already.
Sorry but you have a rotten attitude. Nothing is enough, people trying suck anyway, and no true Scotsman!
Here: I have a relatively high salary, it’s give or take a little over twice the country’s average. My salary is about twice as high as the lowest salary at the company. The lowest salary at the company is slightly below he country’s average. I’m also the first to enter, the last to leave, and I work on the weekends as well to try and give my best to everyone. Not bragging, it is what it is. I also live in a < 500sqft apartment with my wife, and I’m totally happy with it, we don’t need more. I’m not rich, I’m upper middle class at best.
I don’t know the salaries of the other C levels, but I know how they live and what they drive and where they spend their vacations; Their salaries are comparable to mine. I got my salary because of the shit tonne I give tonhe company, same goes for the other C levels.
Your attitude of " everyone who has more than me is evil" is shit and is also part of the reason why things are as bad as they are. Goes for all people who think that any company automatically is evil because some companies are. There are LOADS of people who just work hard for what they have and who really try to make sure other have it good too.
You don’t get to judge me, so take your damned attitude and fuck off until you can behave normal
Actually, those are pretty good answers. Good on you. Have a nice night.
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That descalated quickly! Props to you both!
Thanks!
Thats just not how the world works I’m afraid. At all.
It can it we make it
I’m sorry but you’re not ethical. I’m sure you’re doing your best but you’re a small fish in a very unethical ocean. It’s not your fault, you’re just another cog in the machine.
Are you seeing what you’re writing there?
I’m unethical because I’m a cog in a machine?
So in other words, we’re all evil, you are evil, maybe we should all kill ourselves and get it over with because why even bother trying, rite?
Fuck your attitude
I’m getting REALLY tired of reading “fuck your attitude” multiple times in your comments, chief. You need to correct that language or you need to leave-- or more preferably get tossed out on your arse.
How about you adjust your attitude instead? Because it’s horrible.
I prefer bad language over bad actions. I may talk like a sailor but at least i do the right thing. Maybe you should try that too
And the dead who they killed by denying people what they paid for…there are dead victims here from this shit company and shit leaders.