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  • SupraMario@lemmy.worldtoComic Strips@lemmy.world•Guns
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    2 days ago

    No it is not. Even the one you linked is from a poll. The CDC pulled the original numbers for DGUs because they’re basically impossible to obtain properly and the CDC didn’t like that it didn’t paint guns in a bad light

    Here is the study that was requested by the cdc and by Obama…

    https://nap.nationalacademies.org/read/18319/chapter/3#15

    Defensive use of guns by crime victims is a common occurrence, although the exact number remains disputed (Cook and Ludwig, 1996; Kleck, 2001a). Almost all national survey estimates indicate that defensive gun uses by victims are at least as common as offensive uses by criminals, with estimates of annual uses ranging from about 500,000 to more than 3 million (Kleck, 2001a), in the context of about 300,000 violent crimes involving firearms in 2008 (BJS, 2010). National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine. 2013. Priorities for Research to Reduce the Threat of Firearm-Related Violence. Washington, DC: The National Academies Press. https://doi.org/10.17226/18319.

    This part talks about the study you directly linked, which states that respondents were not ansed specifically about defensive gun use.

    On the other hand, some scholars point to a radically lower estimate of only 108,000 annual defensive uses based on the National Crime Victimization Survey (Cook et al., 1997). The variation in these numbers remains a controversy in the field. The estimate of 3 million defensive uses per year is based on an extrapolation from a small number of responses taken from more than 19 national surveys. The former estimate of 108,000 is difficult to interpret because respondents were not asked specifically about defensive gun use. National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine. 2013. Priorities for Research to Reduce the Threat of Firearm-Related Violence. Washington, DC: The National Academies Press. https://doi.org/10.17226/18319.

    So no, it’s not, it’s also lacking heavily in studies…and as I said why one of reasons the CDC pulled the numbers.

  • SupraMario@lemmy.worldtoComic Strips@lemmy.world•Guns
    47·
    2 days ago

    No …no it doesn’t. These studies are stupid levels of flawed. Not all crimes are reported to the police where nothing happened. Most DGUs no shot is fired, but they don’t get counted because they’re not reported.

    The studies that try and show that a gun in the home is more dangerous use suicide statistics as well, which is like saying you’re more likely to drown in a pool if you own one…which the answer is “no shit”.

  • SupraMario@lemmy.worldtoComic Strips@lemmy.world•Guns
    5·
    2 days ago

    See if you can find yourself a group with operation blazing sword. Whatever you do, LGS usually have just FUDDs who want to talk how turnip daddy is going to make everything like it was back in the 50s again…most of the sane ass people who are into owning and shooting are online now (there are still a shit ton of magats but just avoid those places). It also helps if you can find a group that has a private range, it’ll make it a lot easier to setup times to go enjoy shooting.

  • SupraMario@lemmy.worldtopics@lemmy.world•Steven Seagal these days
    11·
    3 days ago

    Nope, use shotguns and understand how different **chokes can impact spread. **

    And yes a shotgun is much easier to use, are you crazy? You need much much much less accuracy. You literally can just aim down a hallway and get great coverage.

    That’s literally you suggesting chokes will magically make the spread have great coverage in a short distance firefight with a shotgun. Just stop.

    I’m not the one misrepresenting shit. I’m just calling out all the bullshit here on lemmy that potentially will get someone hurt from all you arm chair kids who probably got most of their knowledge on firearms from CoD and Hollywood. I’ve provided actual video proof you and the other commenters are wrong, yet you and a few others continue to spout nonsense. So again just stop. You’re going to get someone hurt who reads this FUDD shit.

  • SupraMario@lemmy.worldtopics@lemmy.world•Steven Seagal these days
    12·
    3 days ago

    I said 2 inches, not a massive wall. Again, I said 2 inches, not a massive wall…

    You suggested shotguns wiith birdshot because of the spread and ease to use and lack of penetration through walls. Then suggested chokes…you clearly thought that at 10’ in a home you’d get a nice wide spray.

    You’re not getting into a shoot out. Most people run when guns start going off. Also, a home owner may have the gun sitting there untouched for months. A revolver allows you to just pull the trigger again on a misfire instead of having to clear the chamber, which uses both hands.

    Why do you have multiple fire extinguishers in your home? You’re not fighting fires? Why wear your seatbelt, your just going to the corner for a drink?.. that’s the dumbest logic ever, home invasions with armed intruders do exist and do happen. You prepare for the worst and hope for the best. Why are revolvers being brought into this now, they’re shit for self defense for most people, they kick like mules and at best have 8 shots, most 6…

    Oh I agree. And people misrepresenting what’s being said isn’t helping either.

    Nothing I have said is being misrepresented. You and the rest have stated multiple things:

    Shotguns with birdshot don’t go through walls

    Shotguns are easy to use

    ARs are terrible for home defense because they will go through walls

    Those are things being presented by the people in this thread. All of which I have refuted with video evidence of the bullshit. Yet it continues to get argued by the clearly naive and ignorant bunch on lemmy.

  • SupraMario@lemmy.worldtopics@lemmy.world•Steven Seagal these days
    21·
    3 days ago

    A long gun is not good for home defense. A pistol is much better in CQC. Also a shotgun does require much less aiming in a high stress situation. You’re just being silly.

    A 16" barrel AR is going to be much easier for someone with very little experience in CQC using than a damn shotgun or a handgun. They’re not fucking marines…

    Also birdshot is not a slug.

    Never said it was. Literally said it’s basically a slug at 10’ in a home. Shit is not fanning out to a huge wall of pellets like the comment basically says.

    Those are literally two different things. That’s two different kinds of ammo, what are you talking about. A slug has way more mass, which is a hug factor in penetration. Wtf is this nonsense.

    Please re-read what I said…no where did I state it was a slug.

    Source: bored out of my mind in the UMSC stained at 29 Palms and did Mohave Viper combat training stuff a ton. Try to clear a tight building with an AR and you realize how easy it is to just grab a barrel as you try to clear a room.

    Cool, no one is fucking clearing their damn homes like they’re in Iraq…

  • SupraMario@lemmy.worldtopics@lemmy.world•Steven Seagal these days
    12·
    3 days ago

    Nope, use shotguns and understand how different chokes can impact spread.

    They are not creating this massive wall of birdshot that you are claiming. Doesn’t matter what fucking chokes you use.

    With no choke I would expect a 2 inch spread at 10 feet. 2 inches is a lot of grace in a life or death situation.

    Most people have no clue about chokes and there is not a single one giving you a massive wall of pellets at 10’.

    Yes it has a lot of recoil, but in reality you’re not getting into a shoot out. You’re shooting once, maybe twice, before the encounter is over or into a scuffle.

    ROFL no just no…there is a reason LEOs have gone from revolvers to double stack handguns…fire fights can last a lot longer than the bullets do and you want to be the last person with them. You %100 should not be skuffling with someone trying to kill you in your home with rounds still in the firearm you are using.

    The amount of just wrong and ignorance in this thread is astonishing.