according to reddit they had 918 million Monthly Active Users (MAU) in 2022, then they stopped reporting it for I assume stock reasons 🤷♀️. Anyways, I’m not trying to be super specific so I’ll go with 1 billion since it’s 4 years out of date anyways.
The widely shared number for Lemmy MAU is ~40,000. I’ve heard this shared for many years and I wasn’t sure if it was accurate anymore. The actual numbers are easy to find so I added all of the totals from piefed statistics page for Lemmy + Piefed + Mbin.
It turned out to be 40,272. guess the number was correct after all!
https://piefed.social/statistics?software=Lemmy
so that’s 1,000,000,000 vs 40,000
that’s 0.004%! I lowkey forgot how big reddit is.
EDIT: for all the people saying my data is inaccurate, I know. There’s many factors that offset the accurate statistics of what a ‘user’ is. I’ll list a few, including some nobody else has considered
- reddits estimate includes bot accounts
- lemmys estimate includes bot accounts
- reddit estimate includes alt accounts
- lemmys estimate includes alt accounts (arguably moreso than reddit due to ppl having accounts on multiple instances)
- reddits estimate includes signed out accounts, lemmys does not
- VPN / dynamic routers can largely bias reddits number
- one last small factor, reddits data is 4 years out of date
I’m literally a college dropout because I’m bad at math, I just looked up numbers and divided them.
instead of constantly winging about data inaccuracies how about yall do something about it. comment a more accurate estimation and I’ll edit my posts title and give credit. stupid smelly nerds
I’m fine with that, honestly.
Yeah, the odds are at our favour. I can take on 25k redditors no problem lol
Edit: number lol
“People”
Welcome to the top 0.004% my friends.
Sup bitches, I’m cooler than at least 25k people.
But every Lemmy users is worth far more than 25,000 Redditors.
As someone that is 100% non-biased, yes I completely agree with this self aggrandizing position.
furthermore, I choose to consider this empirical evidence that verifies my own
biasescommon sense beliefsI can see in two more turns this is going to turn out really bad.
It hasn’t even been bundled and diversified into a tradable commodity yet.
I don’t know about that man. Some are worth 1/10th or negative.
But how many of those are actual human users?
Or barely human?
That’s insulting to the word “barely”.
Just like everything AI, that used to be an easier guess to make. Now…
Maybe a more accurate but still flawed method is to count how many active users over a certain number of years old. That does throw out new human users, and ignores bought old accounts, but it might weed some of the bots that get cycled around.
50% are bots, if not more. so its actually 12.5k.
Probably that same percentage
I doubt there are as many bots on lemmy considering there is a greater incentive to make bots on reddit
the monthly active on lemmy is steadily going down yet the number of new users is rocketing up
who the fuck is that?
and without authentication by irl id we’ll never know but i guess you be “muh privacy!!!”
Older users are (understandably) leaving lemmy while new users are finding the platform and giving it a try
What’s happening that older users are leaving?
Toxicity, the focus on US politics and complaining when someone doesnt want it flooding their feed, lack of more obscure communities, complaining when someone doesnt use linux etc.
reddits estimate includes signed out accounts, lemmys does not
That’s going to make a massive difference.
Well, it’s not that simple. I accidentally made, like, 5 Lemmy accounts across different instances until I understood how federation works. Now I rotate through them for privacy’s sake lol.
Quantity is not quality.
Hm, Stalin would disagree on that one. Good thing you’re not on .ml, or you just might have gotten yourself purged there!
Where did that come from?
cmon man
Yeah there’s no way reddit has a billion users. Not human ones. They’re doing everything they can to push people away. I’d be surprised if their user growth wasn’t actually negative.
One of out every eight people are on that website? There’s no bloody way. Absolutely impossible.
Right? When facebook had a billion users, I could barely name someone I know that wasn’t using it (and I live in Europe).
Now reddit it supposed to be there, while most normies have no idea what that is. It has definitely become more popular in the past few years, but it’s nowhere near the same level as facebook.
Absolutely bullshit numbers.
They’ve banned most of the user base
Are they all people though? Doesn’t reddit have a bot and paid trolling problem?
When you step into a non-bot place like Lemmy, it becomes apparent just how flooded Reddit is.
15 year old reddit account and recently had my first ever ban (3 days) for making an unfavourable comment about China, lol. Thanks to the ban I revisited Lemmy and found how nice it is to actually interact with real people. Now I don’t really go on reddit unless to do some research.
What on earth would make you think lemmy, a federated system, doesn’t have bots?
Not saying it won’t or even doesn’t have bots, its just not a big enough target yet to be worth the investment flooding the place with bots. It is one thing to have a bot doing what ever if 100,000 people are going to read it, it is another if it is only a hundred people. Return on investment is far too low, for now.
The investment is a fraction of a cent, give or take… Or zero, if you already have the hardware (like a 3 year old laptop is enough). I run a local model on my 2022 MacBook and it gives me perfectly reasoned answers (mostly about foreign language grammar or baking recipes).
While that is true, it is also much easier to go for the low hanging fruit and reddit posts would get a much higher return on investment. It also help that Lemmy is not in the mainstream (yet) so the caliber of people here is a bit more skeptical towards anything that smells like generative junk.
Comment quality is much higher
How do you even begin to measure that?
My anecdotal evidence is greatly biased towards reddit, since there is just more volume, more chances of a high quality comment.
Actually my bad this might be one of the dumbest comments I have ever seen
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Even if the bot problem is massively blown out of proportion, I would argue most people that are addicted to algorithms are almost no different from a bot. I really don’t understand why we are only kicking kids off the internet because the way ai handles content feeds is literally killing them, when its obvious we should stop it completely because it harms everyone. And we should of been holding these people accountable, and I mean real prison time.
All this ad driven nonsense has done so much damage. The most obvious facebook has lost 3 lawsuits for what can be boiled down to mind control advertisement science. Cambridge analytics, the teen Instagram, faking likes and emotional manipulation of your news feed to boost advertisement revenue. They literally just showed you bad news 24/7 instead of pictures of your uncles fish he just caught, then advertisement companies who advertise for politicians, gambling, porn whatever use that data to send you relevant ads to whatever kind of weird doom loop Facebook has you stuck in. Not only that but Facebook has cause 2-3 revolutions and a genocide weirdly where US has military interest. Yet some how its ai moderation is so out of wack they are facing another potential law suit because ai is retroactively banning anyone and everyone ai hallucinations and demanding face scans before the ai instantly rejects and bans them. So I have a hard time believing if normal people can’t just exist on Facebook without a random ban, that genocide could even happen.
Facebook supports scammers over users too because that’s who gives them money, you are worse than a resource to them and if they could they would prefer if they can skip your consent all together to harvest your data. They let scam advertisements stay up, weird pedo ads and will ban you for mentioning it because you said a bad word, while the ads remain up. You don’t even need a Facebook account they have many APIs that tie in to much of the modern web for connected features and whatnot. They also really want to push smart glasses on people so even those who don’t have a Facebook account get a face scan, and because that person probably has you added in their contacts that they share with Facebook they slowly build profiles on you. Facebook has built and “canceled” face scanning projects 4 different times, there’s no way they’re not doing it even if they say they aren’t.
I don’t want to ‘other’ people in seeming less than human because they gobble this stuff up to the ponlint of becoming bots. Ultimately they are victims to something that they can’t even really comprehend simply because they maybe get 3-4 hours to themselves each day, and that’s gonna be filled with fun shit.
You are comparing apples & oranges: Reddit is counting everyone as MAU. Even a not-logged-in guy coming from google opening one page is a MAU for them. The Lemmy statistics are only showing users who are actively doing something. Upvoting, posting, commenting and so on.
There are dozens of us.
DOZENS.
peopleBots
Here, have my upvote. It’s worth 25,000. 🪙
I like it here, I came over from Reddit years ago and the only time I’ve been back is when searching for random tech or niche hobby stuff and a reddit thread shows up, but that’s about to end too due to the login thing.
I’d rather hang out with a small group of friends than be alone in a massive drunken rave. 🤷♀️
Thanks for the gold, kind stranger
EdIT: Wow, this blew up!!!1
EDIT2: Omg, an upvote. I am touched. My thanks go out to my wonderful parents, my supportive spouse, my agent, my agent’s agent, my second-favourite child, my therapist, my therapist’s therapist, my high-school drama teacher who said I’d never amount to anything, the guy who held the door at the audition, my personal trainer whom I’ve never met, my dentist for the quiet moments, my accountant for the creative moments, my lawyer for the other creative moments, my neighbour’s dog who barked encouragement at 03:00, my neighbour who owns the dog, the other neighbour who sold the dog to my neighbour, my mother’s cousin’s former roommate, my great-grandfather’s horse, the horse’s reluctant biographer, my childhood imaginary friend and his imaginary lawyer, my ex, my ex’s new partner, my ex’s new partner’s ex, whoever left a half-eaten sandwich in the green room, the sandwich, the farmer who grew the wheat for the sandwich, the weather on the day the wheat was grown, the sun for showing up that day, the planet the sun lights up, my sourdough starter, Kevin, the other Kevin, the third Kevin who insists he’s not a Kevin, my cat, my cat’s imaginary rival, the vet who still won’t return my calls, my Wi-Fi router for never giving up on me, the 14 % of the Wi-Fi signal that actually reached me, the man who invented the chair, the chair I’m sitting on right now, the tree that gave its life for the chair, the tree’s family, the squirrel who stood by the tree, the squirrel’s pension fund, the lady at the bus stop who nodded at me in 2009, the bus, the bus driver’s mother, the pothole that built my character, the municipality that never fixed it, my left knee, my right knee for staying out of it, my append8x, which sadly could not be here tonight, my 3,412 followers, all four of them, my sleep paralysis demon for the stellar company, the voice in my head that said “go for it”, the other voice that said “don’t”, the third voice that was just humming, my houseplant Gerald, Gerald’s late predecessor, Gerald II, the mysterious stranger who once told me “nice shoes”, the shoes, the cobbler of the shoes, the cobbler’s cousin who dabbles in cheese, the cheese, the mould that made the cheese great, the lactose-intolerant colleague who still came to the cheese party, the alphabet for the letters, the number 7 for being consistently reliable, the number 8 for being a sideways infinity of encouragement, gravity for keeping me grounded, whoever invented Tuesdays, the Tuesday that changed everything, the stage, the floor under the stage, the Earth under the floor, the cosmic dust that made the Earth, the Big Bang for its explosive support, whatever came before the Big Bang for being so non-committal, my future self for pulling the strings, my past self for not stopping me, the multiverse versions of me who didn’t win and who I hope are doing fine, the Academy, which I’m told is not who is giving me this award, the person who actually is giving me this award, the person who is confused why I’m still typing, the orchestra playing me off, the orchestra’s union rep, the exit sign that has been glowing meaningfully at me for the last ten minutes, this guys dead wife, and finally, you, yes, you, for reading this entire list. You know who you are. I don’t. But thank you.
I always found that stuff on Reddit both hilarious and stupid and pointless.
You don’t need to edit your original message to add in a “thank you” or acknowledge the obvious “this blew up”. I never got why that became a thing.
But also it was mildly amusing I guess. All that stuff became an entire culture and a series of inside jokes that if you knew about them were pretty funny.
All that to say, I broke both of my arms, could you assist me?
Here, have my upvote. It’s worth 25,000.
This made me think of another way to evaluate the statistic. The posts on the front page of Reddit do not get 25000x more upvotes or comments than the front page of Lemmy. I think 1 billion sounds way too high. A big thing was mentioned in another comment, Lemmy only counts logged-in users that actually do actions (voting, posting, commenting), while Reddit is probably counting anonymous visitors.
Still, it’s probably at least 5000x
Same but ive almost entirely abandoned some of those niche things bc their site is so awful.
So let’s make them over here.
















