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    For those who don’t remember the original of this was an ancient meme:

    https://images1.memedroid.com/images/UPLOADED6/5002dd114f5cd.jpeg

    Edit:

    Just how old this meme is: OSX 10.9 mavericks was the first free mac update, it was released in 2013. The meme should be created before that. Iirc Windows 7 was the first win with forced and annoying updates, it was released in 2009. So this meme should be from that era, 11-15 years old.

    Edit2:

    I found the original post, my calculations were correct, this is from 2011: https://www.stickycomics.com/computer-update/

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        Use debian oldstable, usually 1-2 security updates each months, nothing else. If you need a newer app, install it as flatpak, they can’t bork your system.

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          Stable is already ancient enough, but willingly running oldstable? I hope you’ve got a shovel ready

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          Arch. Just updated a few days ago, got some java conflict stuff. Jdm jre or some kind of error. Had to read what people online did to fix that.

          Edit: lmao why am I being downvoted?

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            You’re probably being downvoted because you say “Not Again” to updates while using a rolling release distro. Like ordering a daily newspaper, then getting annoyed at getting a new issue every day.

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              Just because I use rolling doesn’t mean I am mandated to update every minute of my life. There are times when I’m genuinely excited for an update like for example when KDE does something new. Pretty much everything else is just little tweaks and bug fixes that will most likely result in me reading docs and figuring out what went wrong.

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                Sure, but the common consensus seems to be that you shouldn’t be annoyed at the constant updates when that’s an explicit feature of that system. Maybe that’s just a misreading, but I assume the expected reaction would be “Not now” rather than “Not again”.

                (I’m not taking a position, as I’ve never worked with a rolling distro and can’t really comment on either stance, just trying to navigate the confusion here)

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                  My reaction is more of “not now”. Not again might happen when something breaks. So every update is a little gamble for me.

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                You’re not mandated to update often but its encouraged.

                It can be a lot easier, for example, to fix one small break three times than it is to fix 3 breaks at one time.

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            Well yeah, rolling release distros inherently require more fixing because you get all of the software as it is patched with far less testing for conflicts. If you want something you have to fix less get a stable release

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              Which is kinda why I like waiting a little but that doesn’t really matter because it’s always rolling. Guess I’m just delaying having to fix my system. So I update whenever I’m not busy with my life.

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                Yeah, I’m just saying with Arch the tweaking is a feature, not a bug. You can get the same UI with something far more plug and play using something like Debian Stable or even Mint if you like Cinnamon. I’m an openSUSE stan myself but thats just because I like to experiment, break things, and then roll my system back.

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            Maybe because the jre thing was an update that required manual intervention, there was an Arch news item about it. You’re expected to read the Arch news before an update when you’re running Arch. This can be automated with alias update='yay -Pw && pacman -syu' If that’s too much for you, use a different distro.

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                My ADHD and 1297 unread emails make that a bad idea.
                With the alias, the news pop up in front of me right when they’re relevant.

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                  I’ve seen this a few times with various distributions. People always say stuff about checking news files or whatever their distros call them. I have no idea what those are or where to find them. It would seem extremely prudent for the update tool to print relevant information.

                  Brew does this. (I am not using Brew as an example of a perfect package management tool.) It also has “caveats” that get printed for some packages. It seems much more useful this way.

                  Printing the entire change log is overkill, but at least breaking changes and such would be extremely useful.

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              I just went “Shiit! Am I sitting on potential system breakage?” (because I don’t remember doing any such intervention)
              But turns out it was just a conflicts with change.

              From what I know, pacman straight-up asks you what you want, in these cases. Sure, it’s technically manual intervention, but for me, who scans over updated packages every-time, this is considered standard procedure.

              Manual intervention is when GRUB doesn’t install properly using the suggested command and you have to learn where your distro places the boot image and configure stuff accordingly.

              Also, I don’t have JDK so…

              CC BY-NC-SA

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            Arch is great when you’re somewhat experienced with Linux. Otherwise I recommend an Arch + QoL distro like EndeavourOS.

            I’m a developer using Linux for well over a decade and a half and I use EndeavourOS because it just adds a level of ease.

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              It’s fine though, I know what I signed up for. I used Ubuntu for a year before moving over to Arch and and I quite like it. Everytime I decide to update though, I try to do so when I am not busy during school, and prepare for the worse when I do plan to update.

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            Are you talking about the major java/jre repackaging issue, that was announced (proposed update procedure included) on the archlinux news-page, that you are supposed to check before an update?

            If so, then you can’t really blame the distro, if you don’t follow basic best practice guidelines.
            And then you’d also be pretty late to that update and should run updates more frequently. Once a week to at least once a month is a good idea. That’s the idea of a kinda bleeding edge, rolling release distro.

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            If you want rolling release, but still a stable distro, just go with OpenSUSE Tumbleweed, it’s a rolling release with snapshots that you can go back to if something breaks. IIRC they also have a special app verification thingy that’s supposed to be more stable than Arch’s.

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            If you want reliable updates Arch isn’t the best fit IMO.

            It can be perfectly reliable for sure, but it’s permitted not to be.

            If you really want to update and not worry about it, I would consider Fedora, they test updates and upgrades while also being very close to bleeding edge.

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      Well, now they just make you throw out the old Mac hardware and buy new for $1299 (8gb RAM lol) because it’s now out of support for the latest MacOS and the newest versions of Adobe Suite/MS Office/insert productivity work related proprietary software suite here is on board with Apple’s bullshit and won’t run on older MacOS versions.

      The more things change, the more they stay the same.

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      I tried to install Win 10 in a VM recently and it spend hours updating after installing from the ISO. Also you have to turn off the internet to not create a Microsoft account? What a pain it is now.

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        There are newer releases, obviously if you download an older build of windows, you have to download and install each updates manually. It’s not a win only thing, it’s the same with every os, e.g. download Ubuntu 16.10, it will take a while to upgrade to the current version. Windows 10 was released in 2015, I don’t know which release you downloaded.

        About the account, the answer is OOBE\BYPASSNRO

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    I thought I had a virus when I got a pop-up about Ubuntu pro. I thought all linux was free and there’s no way I’d be getting ass for features I don’t have

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    What are the distros that would align with these categories?

    Cool, more free stuff:

    Not again!

    Ooh, only Ubuntu pro:

    • Ubuntu
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      1st: Fedora
      2nd: Arch

      Debian would be: “nothing changed!” (with a sad or happy guy depending on use case)

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      I don’t think the first two are distro specific, more a question of mindset. Unless there are distros that force update your system like some other OSs, which could cause the second picture to happen more often.

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        On fedora atomic all updates are automatic. I don’t even see that they happen. They just happen in the background. I love it.

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          Neat! I was just thinking, if it starts updating the kernel as you turn it off, you’d have to wait a minute for it to finish. M$ style. Has that never happened?

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            No. That’s not how it works. It installs a new image alongside the current one and once you boot again it simply boots into the new image. Never ever wait for an update again.

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              Oh right, atomic distros work differently, didn’t think about that! That is convenient!

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                Very convenient because if something happens where the update breaks something, you can just boot the previous image.

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                  Does it give you a choice at startup, similar to the Grub menu, or do you have to do something to bring the option up?

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          If Fedora plays nice this time around, I’m seriously considering Kinninte and Atomic Budgie for 41. (But Fedora always ends badly for me)

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          How are you getting it to do that? Fedora wants to reboot every day for me, even for the simplest update.

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            Fedora atomic, e.g. silverblue, not traditional fedora. It still wants to reboot after each update but I don’t see it and when I reboot, it boots into the update.

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      The first could be any decent distro like Debian, Fedora, Mint.

      The second would probably be rolling release because of the amount of packages lmao.

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      I was thinking that the user intentionally chose their distro, because of the Ubuntu character.

      Cool, more free stuff

      Arch, you want more free stuff faster

      Not again!

      Debian, you want to set and forget, so any updates that do come up are still a nuisance

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    Ubuntu pro is free to enable btw
    unless you’re using ub server for commercial purposes, then you’re breaking the agreement

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      I think it looks like Microsoft is requesting a ms account to use/install Windows, I think it’s weird to request registration for non-commercial users

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      If you’re not paying for the product, then you’re the product.

      (I don’t believe the above quote to be absolutely true, but I’m not sure what motivation Canonical could have to lock some features of the OS behind a free account except $$$.)

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          No, random Internet forum users and whoever is lurking in IRC/Matrix are the support. Kind of like that 2 by 4 in my basement is supporting the entirety of my house’s main beam.

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        Canonical already maintains security patches for paying customers so they aren’t actually doing any extra work, but putting it behind a subscription gives them an option to start charging more for desktops, gives clear cost for server use, and maybe is marketing for “look at the premium work we do”.

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          Seems really dodgy to me making your business model holding security features hostage for either money or sign-ups, honestly.

          Kindof like charging people for vaccines against deadly diseases or something.

          But then again, my craw may be extra susceptible to sticking when it comes to such things.

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            How do you think research for vaccines is funded? Someone pays for vaccines for deadly diseases eventually

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                In any case, the company who makes the vaccines doesn’t pay it. Ubuntu could make the argument you get the security upgrades if the government wants to pay for them

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            From my look at it, Ubuntu is making it clear that they guarantee support for 10 years, rather than just the standard 4 of LTS releases. And they are also guaranteeing compliance for enterprise uses, saving the paperwork load and time. This could make Ubuntu Pro attractive for enterprises and the IT department. Everyone wants to limit the paperwork checks. Us plebes, can make do with the free standard 4 years of LTS support if that’s what you want.

            I’m quite sure that any distro that offers enterprise solutions is doing similar things just for the money. RedHat does it for sure. But us plebes don’t ever see it because we use Fedora instead.

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      Extended compliance support. Enterprise level needs require a lot of paperwork just to make sure you are in legal compliance with all rules and regulations. The paperwork alone can be a very heavy costly burden on the IT department.

      Any distro wanting to be serious in the enterprise space needs to offer support for that. And businesses will pay for it because it’s cheaper than having a large staff only dedicated to it. It’s part of how Ubuntu can offer you the free stuff and remain a top used distro for the masses. RedHat does the same. RedHat just rebrands the free stuff as Fedora. At least Ubuntu doesn’t hide behind a different brand name when offering sercives they charge for.

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          It’s also called ‘the old free stuff’. If free matters that much, you could run Slack or better yet LFS.

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              Only if you want enterprise solutions. RedHat does the same. So does Suse. A business should pay for enterprise level supports and solutions don’t you think?

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      Kernel live patch, security updates for packages that canonical doesn’t own/maintain, and access to certain configurations/options like fips

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    I’m an annoyed fedora user and it seems every day there’s an update that requires reboot to install. I want the latest patches to keep the system secure, but this is annoying, and I use 2 laptops.

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      You can change that in system settings on KDE

      System settings -> Software Update -> Apply system updates immediately

      Not sure if it’s the same on GNOME

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        No, there is not. Updating through terminal still bypasses it and I don’t mind so much seeing how my mother might accidentally power it off in the middle an important update otherwise. Most people know not to hit the power button when the scary load bar pops up with a message saying please do not power off system.

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      Yeah, I’m using Fedora KDE and Budgie on a laptop and mini-desktop. There were a boatload of updates over the weekend. I understand the safety of doing a reboot to be up to date, but it does give me flashbacks to Wondows.

      But, you can use sudo dnf upgrade and only need to reboot when you want to. Updating through Discover tends to make you reboot a lot.

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      Obviously you’ve never used Arch btw. We live for the sudo pacman -Syu.

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        there is something very satisfying about running pacman -Syu at the end of the day and watching it update the repos, give you a neat list of packages to be upgraded, then see them downloading over all your threads with that little chomp chomp pacman animation, disappearing one by one, or a bunch at once, and then at the end it runs the hooks and you see that [1/23] fill up all the way to [23/23] in the span of a minute…

        It’s like popping bubble wrap, but you have 8 hands and 8 bubble sheets and never try to pop the tame bubble twice

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    I’ve started to become 2) for some stupid reason.

    I use btrfs snapshots to backup my system, and it has the side cost of needing a bit extra space. This is absolutely fine.

    What is not fine however is free desktop/Nvidia flatpaks update. I get 10gb every week, and it keeps filling my disk with this stupid crap.

    Not only that I am both a rust programmer and blender artist, and it’s the trinity of non deduped disk space filler