I’m right there with you. I was actually considering the model 3 for a while. Even put a deposit down. Then Elon started showing his true colors around when the cybertruck was announced and it just felt wrong to keep supporting him.
I wouldn’t trust it even if someone gifted it to me. You don’t know what software runs on there. The car could be programmed to kill you when it see you wearing a LGBT pin on your shirt.
A lot of what I hear from social media and from friends and family that have tried them is how poor the build quality of Teslas is, how un-fun they are to drive, and how the focus on flash over practicality leads to a car that can be dangerous in an emergency situation. There are much better options even before you consider how Elon is an insane Nazi who is dismantling the government.
That’s the opposite experience I’ve had. My Tesla has been flawless. Zero panel gaps, zero problems and it’s a blast to drive while being whisper quiet and ultra-cheap to maintain and drive. The supervised Full Self Driving is nothing short of impressive as it will signal, lane change, stop, merge and yield better than 95% of drivers out there. The Tesla supercharger network is the icing on the cake. They’re everywhere, they’re fast and trouble-free. The only real problem with Tesla is Elon himself. He’s such a fucking loser it’s annoying to be tied to him but I just think of all the good Tesla engineers and employees and I just don’t care who the CEO is anymore. People hate Jeff Bezos but they still use Amazon and people never liked Bill Gates or Steve Jobs but Microsoft and Apple are ultra popular. Now it seems Tesla will boot him as CEO and ideally buy him out. That would be ideal.
First of all, there are a ton of EVs right now, with a new one coming out every day. While Teslas are generally solid EVs, it’s not so obvious thay they are the best. Have you seen the new Chinese ones? Have you tried them?
Second, this means little even if accurate. For the time being, EVs have little purpose due to the technology (mostly batteries) being incredibly underdeveloped for use in vehicles. So “the best EV” is still, overall, terrible.
Their main advantage is supposedly that they are environment-friendly. Well, that is mostly (still not fully) true only if you never swap out the battery. Which in a few years makes the car barely usable. Due to the way lithium-ion batteries work, their condition degrades rapidly when you charge them quickly, or only half-way, or leave them charging overnight. It’s the same as in a smartphone. Just look at people’s iPhone’s battery conditions after one year of use. Except in an EV, battery life directly translates to range.
A Tesla Model S has a marketed range of 373 miles. At 100%, brand new battery condition. Regular use can bring the condition down to as little as 80% over a period of one year. That depletes the car’s range to approximately 300 miles. And the condition will continue to drop. To keep the condition high, you’d need to charge the battery relatively slowly (24-48 hours of charging) and from a very low charge to a mostly full charge. Precisely the same way you keep your phone’s battery condition high. This is simply unrealistic in the context of EVs.
This leaves us with the inevitable replacement of batteries, which alone generate more CO2 emissions to produce than entire combustion engine cars, including driving them for a year on average. Does this still sound environmentally friendly to anyone?
As it stands, the technology just isn’t there for us to be able to make good, environment-friendly EVs. And I’m ignoring all of their other issues here. To include everything, you’d have to write a novel. I don’t mean to hate on EVs too much, but to me personally it looks like currently they just make very little, if any, sense. Maybe in a few years? Chinese companies are successfully developing new types of batteries, but they’re not sharing them with western companies.
We’ll see what the future brings. In any event, don’t stop boycotting Tesla even if the CEO changes. Musk still has a shitload of Tesla stock, so the company’s financial state is closely linked to his.
Nope. I don’t waste my time when I know the person I’m replying to is so wrong on so many levels. It’s like trying to argue with a flat earther or an anti-vaxxer. They’re beyond help.
Having driven many different Evs now, and through work dealt with Tesla’s for years, I really do not agree with your best EV out there claim. The only model in the lineup I can’t comment on is the cybertuck, as that fucking thing can’t pass my countries safety requirements, lol
Would this include a total revamp of everything in the cars?
Teslas product are inherently consumer hostile.
They are bad build quality,.
The user interface is made to cut costs not good UX.
You need a subscription for things already in the car.
Autopilot shuts off just before accidents to not make Tesla liable for the incident.
The list just goes on.
Everything about that company screams “fuck you” at the people buying their product.
So… Why would anyone from them ever listen to you? If you’re complete lost cause to them, why would they cater to your requests?
Hard boycotts and grudges are accounted for. What you’ve done is pushed the line the other way because now there’s one less person to sway them to fix their shit, since there’s no monitary gain in you.
They obviously don’t care what Tesla does beyond now, but this type of reaction is a message to other similar businesses, especially one with a market of generally progressive people. One part is sticking to your own ethics and morals and not supporting a company that supports fascism, and the other part is making it known that other companies that do the same are going to suffer the consequences.
There was a day, not too long ago, where I’d seriously considered buying a Tesla. And I nearly did.
As of today, I for one will never buy a single Tesla product - not a car, not a truck, not a battery, not a robot, whatever - for as long as I live.
And no decision from Tesla leadership will change my mind at this point. Fuck them.
Even if that makes me a crazy old man 30-40 years from now when all this is in the past. Never means never.
I would have 100% bought a Tesla. I just bought a Hyundai Ioniq 6 instead.
There aren’t many EV sedans under $60k.
Maybe I’ll consider a Tesla in another ten years if Elon has divested his stock.
Aren’t Teslas Hatchbacks, or sportsbacks, or fastbacks? The windshield lifts with the trunk door, so not sedans.
I’m right there with you. I was actually considering the model 3 for a while. Even put a deposit down. Then Elon started showing his true colors around when the cybertruck was announced and it just felt wrong to keep supporting him.
For me, its more than just the support.
I wouldn’t trust it even if someone gifted it to me. You don’t know what software runs on there. The car could be programmed to kill you when it see you wearing a LGBT pin on your shirt.
I love my Tesla and have zero issues with it. Sure I think Elon’s a moron but I won’t let that fact stop me from enjoying an awesome car.
They are the best EV out there, despite all the shit you hear about from people who’ve never driven or owned one.
Oh. You can disregard the opinions of people who haven’t driven or owned a car? How many other EVs have you driven to know Tesla is the best then?
By your own logic I dismiss your obvious Swasticar fanboyism.
There are many people on social media that review EV cars so I don’t have to own every single one to know what’s the best one to buy.
That’s such a stupid take it just makes me laugh.
A lot of what I hear from social media and from friends and family that have tried them is how poor the build quality of Teslas is, how un-fun they are to drive, and how the focus on flash over practicality leads to a car that can be dangerous in an emergency situation. There are much better options even before you consider how Elon is an insane Nazi who is dismantling the government.
That’s the opposite experience I’ve had. My Tesla has been flawless. Zero panel gaps, zero problems and it’s a blast to drive while being whisper quiet and ultra-cheap to maintain and drive. The supervised Full Self Driving is nothing short of impressive as it will signal, lane change, stop, merge and yield better than 95% of drivers out there. The Tesla supercharger network is the icing on the cake. They’re everywhere, they’re fast and trouble-free. The only real problem with Tesla is Elon himself. He’s such a fucking loser it’s annoying to be tied to him but I just think of all the good Tesla engineers and employees and I just don’t care who the CEO is anymore. People hate Jeff Bezos but they still use Amazon and people never liked Bill Gates or Steve Jobs but Microsoft and Apple are ultra popular. Now it seems Tesla will boot him as CEO and ideally buy him out. That would be ideal.
Exactly. You’re the one that made it. I’m glad we agree.
I was commenting on your stupid comment, you dolt. Are you trying to be as insufferable as Elon?
First of all, there are a ton of EVs right now, with a new one coming out every day. While Teslas are generally solid EVs, it’s not so obvious thay they are the best. Have you seen the new Chinese ones? Have you tried them?
Second, this means little even if accurate. For the time being, EVs have little purpose due to the technology (mostly batteries) being incredibly underdeveloped for use in vehicles. So “the best EV” is still, overall, terrible.
Their main advantage is supposedly that they are environment-friendly. Well, that is mostly (still not fully) true only if you never swap out the battery. Which in a few years makes the car barely usable. Due to the way lithium-ion batteries work, their condition degrades rapidly when you charge them quickly, or only half-way, or leave them charging overnight. It’s the same as in a smartphone. Just look at people’s iPhone’s battery conditions after one year of use. Except in an EV, battery life directly translates to range.
A Tesla Model S has a marketed range of 373 miles. At 100%, brand new battery condition. Regular use can bring the condition down to as little as 80% over a period of one year. That depletes the car’s range to approximately 300 miles. And the condition will continue to drop. To keep the condition high, you’d need to charge the battery relatively slowly (24-48 hours of charging) and from a very low charge to a mostly full charge. Precisely the same way you keep your phone’s battery condition high. This is simply unrealistic in the context of EVs.
This leaves us with the inevitable replacement of batteries, which alone generate more CO2 emissions to produce than entire combustion engine cars, including driving them for a year on average. Does this still sound environmentally friendly to anyone?
As it stands, the technology just isn’t there for us to be able to make good, environment-friendly EVs. And I’m ignoring all of their other issues here. To include everything, you’d have to write a novel. I don’t mean to hate on EVs too much, but to me personally it looks like currently they just make very little, if any, sense. Maybe in a few years? Chinese companies are successfully developing new types of batteries, but they’re not sharing them with western companies.
We’ll see what the future brings. In any event, don’t stop boycotting Tesla even if the CEO changes. Musk still has a shitload of Tesla stock, so the company’s financial state is closely linked to his.
There’s far too much misinformation in your post to bother. You clearly know very little about EV’s and how they work.
Care to refute any of their points or are paragraphs too hard?
Nope. I don’t waste my time when I know the person I’m replying to is so wrong on so many levels. It’s like trying to argue with a flat earther or an anti-vaxxer. They’re beyond help.
Having driven many different Evs now, and through work dealt with Tesla’s for years, I really do not agree with your best EV out there claim. The only model in the lineup I can’t comment on is the cybertuck, as that fucking thing can’t pass my countries safety requirements, lol
and they you look into thier quality, its overpriced.
Naw if Bernie nationalizes the corpse of the company holding their IP, would be happy to buy two
Would this include a total revamp of everything in the cars?
Teslas product are inherently consumer hostile.
They are bad build quality,. The user interface is made to cut costs not good UX. You need a subscription for things already in the car. Autopilot shuts off just before accidents to not make Tesla liable for the incident.
The list just goes on.
Everything about that company screams “fuck you” at the people buying their product.
So… Why would anyone from them ever listen to you? If you’re complete lost cause to them, why would they cater to your requests?
Hard boycotts and grudges are accounted for. What you’ve done is pushed the line the other way because now there’s one less person to sway them to fix their shit, since there’s no monitary gain in you.
They obviously don’t care what Tesla does beyond now, but this type of reaction is a message to other similar businesses, especially one with a market of generally progressive people. One part is sticking to your own ethics and morals and not supporting a company that supports fascism, and the other part is making it known that other companies that do the same are going to suffer the consequences.