• BetaBlake@lemmy.world
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    8 hours ago

    Even without interference communism can never work, it’s not how human nature works, it relys on everyone being on the same page which will never happen

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      5 hours ago

      It’s in our genetics to engage in a perpetual exponential quarterly growth and make our decisions based on the benefit it brings to our investors. Any caveman could tell you that smh…

      E: my god it’s a hyperbolically absurd take in memes and even with the caveman comment I still need to /s apparently…

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        No, cavemen were very egalitarian. This is because back then, you couldn’t hoard much of anything - food spoils quickly, sex requires your partner to like you, and personal possessions were things like tools or the odd bit of clothing. It was when wealth could be preserved, such as livestock, stored grain, jewelry, and eventually coinage, that wealth became an hereditary thing.

        This is why a future economic system has to be designed to prevent the excessive hoarding of wealth. Not too little, nor too much. Humans weren’t evolved to be free of consequence, especially from each other.

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        6 hours ago

        If you ran humanity in thousands of simulations how often would we end up in the same capitalistic situation?

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          What an interesting question. I have no idea what the answer is, but the question is bloody great.

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          Far less often than we end up with communalist hunter gatherers and early agrarian communes and evidently for a much shorter time. Does that mean feudalism can never work? Capitalism is never at any point of productive development possible?

          If you’ve never studied an economics text (a real, materialist one, not fucking graphs with conveniently simple and clean cut rules that never seem to apply and zero fucking statistics) then try not to speak so authoritatively on economics.

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            Your words make no sense to me. If you want to convey ideas use the common tongue. It feels like you have some neat ideas though.

            Edit: Can anyone please decipher what this guy said?

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          So many it would be hard to count, at least 4 or 5. But numbers don’t really go much higher than that. Any caveman could tell you that.

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        5 hours ago

        No, but greed and envy is. That’s why humans have written so much in the last thousand years about greed and envy.

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      7 hours ago

      What part of communism relys on everyone being on the same page?

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        It’s right there on Karl Marcos’ “All About Capital”, basic economics commie

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      8 hours ago

      capitalism, of course, where utility is only allowed to exist as the unexploited byproduct of a scam, cannot fail. it can only be failed.

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      6 hours ago

      Haha no communism can force you to go against your evil “human nature” so you have to aid the collective people, who mostly have a good human nature

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      Kind of some level of any system isn’t it? In short if a system has a means to power that can tweak the rules. Inevitably will result in one group ceasing the rules, turning them to raise how much they can tweak them, and ensuring they continue to be tweaked in their favor.

      Communism relies on a possibly impossible starting point. Theoretically if the starting point were reached, it seems the most sustainable. Whether it’s possible to reach that starting point is the great mystery.

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        Yeah I think you hit the nail on the head here. It’s interesting to think about how even though communism could theoretically be the best system, it could mean nothing if we don’t know how to meet the conditions to achieve it in the first place.