WASHINGTON, D.C. — US President Joe Biden called the International Criminal Court's arrest warrants for top Israeli leaders 'outrageous' in a statement Thursday.
If Bibi is a war criminal for leveraging an admittedly horrible terrorist attack to commit horrendous atrocities, so is Joe Biden.
What the US did in the 2 decades post 9/11 is no better or worse than what Israel is doing now. Accountability for one means accountability for the other, and Biden doesn’t want to be held accountable.
What the US did in Iraq and Afghanistan was wrong, no doubt. There’s a lot of reasons for that, ranging from who was actually responsible for 9/11 to all the actual violence between the civilians and soldiers. But systematic extermination is NOT one of those reasons. What Israel is doing in Gaza is 1000x worse. Equating it to how the US conducted its affairs minimizes what’s actually happening, muddying the water and keeping people from feeling like they should actually be doing anything about it.
No, the only common point is the use of military force. How that force was and is used is on a completely different scale. America managed to do the Iraq war with an order of magnitude less civilian casualties when looked at proportionally. (Iraq is a much larger combat area with much larger demographics involved for both sides and civilians)
America also left Iraq with it’s own government and crucially, it respected Iraq’s wishes when they said to stop operating inside Iraq. In Afghanistan we even left because the Taliban told Trump to leave, regardless of the Afghan National Government’s stance on it and popular position of the people. Comparing that to starvation as a weapon, hollowing out civil services, and striking IDP camps with large munitions is just ridiculous.
He will be remembered like silent Cal, except instead of doing to little to combat the oncoming great depression, it will be doing to little to prevent fascism.
Biden is a devout catholic, meaning he believes Isreal must be the home for all jews for the rapture to happen. Not enough people are talking about this. Even the most “normal” religious people are nut jobs that shouldn’t be in power.
Christianity at its foundation is an apocalyptic religion, more so in Mark than the later gospels but it’s there in all 4 of them and comes back in full force in revelations which are all part of the Catholic canonical Bible. The specific details of what the end times will look like beyond what it says in the Bible differs greatly between different sects of Christianity, but they all predict some sort of divine apocalypse.
The mythical narrative is humanity doomed itself (Adam and Eve committing original sin dooming their progeny), Jesus came and erased that doom (by sacrificing himself to himself), and said he’ll be back (within the apostles lifetime) to bring the end times and utopia for Christians.
The Catholic Church does not believe Revelations is a prophecy. Here is the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops explainer.
The Book of Revelation cannot be adequately understood except against the historical background that occasioned its writing. Like Daniel and other apocalypses, it was composed as resistance literature to meet a crisis. The book itself suggests that the crisis was ruthless persecution of the early church by the Roman authorities; the harlot Babylon symbolizes pagan Rome, the city on seven hills (Rev 17:9). The book is, then, an exhortation and admonition to Christians of the first century to stand firm in the faith and to avoid compromise with paganism, despite the threat of adversity and martyrdom; they are to await patiently the fulfillment of God’s mighty promises. The triumph of God in the world of men and women remains a mystery, to be accepted in faith and longed for in hope. It is a triumph that unfolded in the history of Jesus of Nazareth and continues to unfold in the history of the individual Christian who follows the way of the cross, even, if necessary, to a martyr’s death.
The most we get as Catholics, if we bother the priests about it, is to not worry about it as long as we live properly. To try and bring it about or figure out when it would be is literally heresy.
That’s not really a Catholic thing. Catholics believe it will happen when it happens. They do not traffic in old testament prophesies. I grew up in East Coast Catholicism and after Sunday School we never heard about the rapture again.
Our intelligence community rebelled as much as possible several times. They even released a report telling everyone that Israel was lying. Newspapers spun it to be something that’s too vague to tell. But the “level” they assessed the Israeli claims at is actually the lowest level, completely unsupportable and/or directly contradicted by evidence. It’s certainly not high enough confidence to be used as the basis for a national strategy. At most it’s the level where you send a small team to get more evidence. Instead Biden repeated these lies every time, sometimes even after they had been publicly debuked.
USAID straight up leaked to ProPublica that they assessed a systemic war crime of blocking food aid and that they had reported this fact to Blinken, the Sec. of State, before he publicly said Israel was not committing war crimes and could receive more military aid.
It’s not the entire government, it’s 3 people. Biden who is ordering the shipments. And then Blinken and Sullivan (National Security Advisor, all intel flows through him) are rubber stamping Israeli reports and blocking any official recognition of war crimes. And this is not a case of Sullivan keeping facts from Biden. We know this because there are leaked reports of Biden being mad at Netanyahu for not doing his stuff quietly enough.
It’s fucking 2002 all over again except this time it’s a Democrat in charge of lying to the country on a massive scale.
Oh there’s a cheering section for sure. But those 3 are the ones preventing our existing laws against giving military aid to war criminals from operating. The government itself, the people who actually work in it, has been trying to sound the alarm for most of 2024.
Israel is the world leader in spyware and surveillance software. All the cameras, drones, contact-free checkpoints, and automated guns on the Gaza perimeter? IIRC, Elbit is making them on the southern US border.
Gaza, West Bank, and southern Lebanon are proof of concept for dealing with climate crisis.
Oh I absolutely believe he’s saying what’s in his heart on this.
He’s about as establishment as they get. And he doesn’t believe establishment leaders are accountable for criminal charges over things that look like “war.”
If the 2024 election wasn’t clue enough: people don’t give a shit about preserving establishment norms anymore and are ready to throw the entire thing in the crapper - some argue that voters already did exactly that.
huh, we wasn’t cynically posturing for election purposes, he really wants to die on this hill :/
He pretty much did already.
He’ll not be remembered kindly by history for this. Even if he was objectively decent president.
Sad but true. I really don’t understand why he is so adamant in his support for Netanyahu.
Because he’s a true believer who’s drunk the Zionism kool-aid.
Plus it probably helps that he’s received more money from AIPAC throughout his political career than his current net worth.
Because it’s self serving.
If Bibi is a war criminal for leveraging an admittedly horrible terrorist attack to commit horrendous atrocities, so is Joe Biden.
What the US did in the 2 decades post 9/11 is no better or worse than what Israel is doing now. Accountability for one means accountability for the other, and Biden doesn’t want to be held accountable.
What the US did in Iraq and Afghanistan was wrong, no doubt. There’s a lot of reasons for that, ranging from who was actually responsible for 9/11 to all the actual violence between the civilians and soldiers. But systematic extermination is NOT one of those reasons. What Israel is doing in Gaza is 1000x worse. Equating it to how the US conducted its affairs minimizes what’s actually happening, muddying the water and keeping people from feeling like they should actually be doing anything about it.
No, the only common point is the use of military force. How that force was and is used is on a completely different scale. America managed to do the Iraq war with an order of magnitude less civilian casualties when looked at proportionally. (Iraq is a much larger combat area with much larger demographics involved for both sides and civilians)
America also left Iraq with it’s own government and crucially, it respected Iraq’s wishes when they said to stop operating inside Iraq. In Afghanistan we even left because the Taliban told Trump to leave, regardless of the Afghan National Government’s stance on it and popular position of the people. Comparing that to starvation as a weapon, hollowing out civil services, and striking IDP camps with large munitions is just ridiculous.
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You can’t be an objectively decent leader if you materially support a Genocide while the entire world pleads with you to stop doing so.
He will be remembered like silent Cal, except instead of doing to little to combat the oncoming great depression, it will be doing to little to prevent fascism.
umm… what ? how does burning kids alive makes him a decent president ? “lesser evil” yeah sure, but decent ?
i am even ignoring the pathetic state of working class rn and his incompetence in dealing with fascists.
Biden is a devout catholic, meaning he believes Isreal must be the home for all jews for the rapture to happen. Not enough people are talking about this. Even the most “normal” religious people are nut jobs that shouldn’t be in power.
I thought that was some evangelical sect crap. Roman catholics don’t believe in
rapture“the rapture”.Christianity at its foundation is an apocalyptic religion, more so in Mark than the later gospels but it’s there in all 4 of them and comes back in full force in revelations which are all part of the Catholic canonical Bible. The specific details of what the end times will look like beyond what it says in the Bible differs greatly between different sects of Christianity, but they all predict some sort of divine apocalypse.
The mythical narrative is humanity doomed itself (Adam and Eve committing original sin dooming their progeny), Jesus came and erased that doom (by sacrificing himself to himself), and said he’ll be back (within the apostles lifetime) to bring the end times and utopia for Christians.
Edit: Catholic doctrine regarding the apocalypse: https://www.catholic.com/encyclopedia/apocalypse
And some of the predictions attributed to Jesus in Matthew as signs of the end is nigh: https://www.catholic365.com/article/40494/decoding-the-signs-the-catholic-perspective-on-end-times.html
The Catholic Church does not believe Revelations is a prophecy. Here is the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops explainer.
The most we get as Catholics, if we bother the priests about it, is to not worry about it as long as we live properly. To try and bring it about or figure out when it would be is literally heresy.
It is, these guys are high on something.
That’s not really a Catholic thing. Catholics believe it will happen when it happens. They do not traffic in old testament prophesies. I grew up in East Coast Catholicism and after Sunday School we never heard about the rapture again.
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Seems or entire government does. How much shady shit does isreal do for our country? Our official imports and exports don’t really look that dramatic.
Our intelligence community rebelled as much as possible several times. They even released a report telling everyone that Israel was lying. Newspapers spun it to be something that’s too vague to tell. But the “level” they assessed the Israeli claims at is actually the lowest level, completely unsupportable and/or directly contradicted by evidence. It’s certainly not high enough confidence to be used as the basis for a national strategy. At most it’s the level where you send a small team to get more evidence. Instead Biden repeated these lies every time, sometimes even after they had been publicly debuked.
USAID straight up leaked to ProPublica that they assessed a systemic war crime of blocking food aid and that they had reported this fact to Blinken, the Sec. of State, before he publicly said Israel was not committing war crimes and could receive more military aid.
It’s not the entire government, it’s 3 people. Biden who is ordering the shipments. And then Blinken and Sullivan (National Security Advisor, all intel flows through him) are rubber stamping Israeli reports and blocking any official recognition of war crimes. And this is not a case of Sullivan keeping facts from Biden. We know this because there are leaked reports of Biden being mad at Netanyahu for not doing his stuff quietly enough.
It’s fucking 2002 all over again except this time it’s a Democrat in charge of lying to the country on a massive scale.
It’s a whole lot more than just 3 people. Trump has already said he backs isreal and so has most of the senate, it seems. Isreal has both parties.
Oh there’s a cheering section for sure. But those 3 are the ones preventing our existing laws against giving military aid to war criminals from operating. The government itself, the people who actually work in it, has been trying to sound the alarm for most of 2024.
Israel is the world leader in spyware and surveillance software. All the cameras, drones, contact-free checkpoints, and automated guns on the Gaza perimeter? IIRC, Elbit is making them on the southern US border.
Gaza, West Bank, and southern Lebanon are proof of concept for dealing with climate crisis.
Oh I absolutely believe he’s saying what’s in his heart on this.
He’s about as establishment as they get. And he doesn’t believe establishment leaders are accountable for criminal charges over things that look like “war.”
If the 2024 election wasn’t clue enough: people don’t give a shit about preserving establishment norms anymore and are ready to throw the entire thing in the crapper - some argue that voters already did exactly that.
At this point Im not gonna worry what hill so long as he chooses to die on it. Good riddance.