• Echo Dot@feddit.uk
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          9 months ago

          Because Isis have never committed any terrorist attacks before right?

          If you’re going to make that claim you need to provide some evidence

          • RubberDuck@lemmy.world
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            9 months ago

            And because Islamic extremists have never committed attacks in Russie based on Russias actions in Syria (directly engaging ISIS) and Russias friendly relations with the taliban, who in turn hate ISIS.

            So many examples, but blaming the Americans/Ukranian/Europeans/InsertAnyOtherParty is just another way the Russian trolls sow chaos in an attempt to make everyone doubt reality.

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              9 months ago

              The people that have done the deed where definitly ISIS. But there where many people involved behind the scenes and someone payed for it.

              ISIS usually ideologically subverts individuals.

              While Ukraine is involved in numerous killings, terrorism and uncountable sabotages inside Russia, (mostly) by either paying or convincing locals.

              (I doubt it was the US/ Europe. The CIA/ Europe would have no gain from this.)

              But there is no definitive proof (so far) of who actually orchestraded it, so it could be the usual suspect or the obvious one.

              • RubberDuck@lemmy.world
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                9 months ago

                You should stop eating soap, as apparently that is bad for your brain too.

                A country defending itself from an invader is not committing killings and terrorist, it is engaged in asymmetric warfare for as far as it is actually involved.

                Ascribing the work of partisans and anti putinists to Ukraine completely ignores the hellscapr Putin has created within Russia proper. There is plenty to be mad about at their own government for Russians.

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                    9 months ago

                    Are you referring to the blowing up of a right wing extremist pro war blogger, inside the cafe of the wagner boss? Attended by fans of the blogger and his work calling for the extermination of Ukranians?

                    Because a link to Ukraine is only available by accusation by the person who did it, after she was arrested and in the hands of the Russian government for some time.

                    And judging by how the Russian security services treat their captives, I can imagine they will say whatever they need to in order to make the hurting stop or be less.

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      9 months ago

      Of course it could be CIA connected but likely is a too strong word with the information available at this point. Russia is fucking around with many groups all over the world

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              9 months ago

              Well dont stop, continue. Only in dialogue can we defeat our differences.

              Otherwise you seperate and isolate people, and strengthen they’re belives.

              There are people that you can show all the facts and logic and proof and they are not going to believe. Those people I refer to as stupid. ( I dont call em that. No need to be rude). Dont be such a person yourself.

              Hence, always try to engage in dialogue and be flexible enough in your worldviews. But also know some people are not and there is nothing you can do.

              But other people reading this will see you be right.

              Nazbol? What does this dead movement have to do with anything?