I might switch from Mega if it becomes a nix package. They already have CLI as a nix package so here’s hoping for the app as well.
If the source is available, it’s usually trivial to package up in Nix—& even then, a lotta .deb & .rpm files repackaged in Nixpkgs already.
I did that with Root chat app and it’s been a thorn in my side to update the SHA every now and then. I want it done by someone else.
My 1Tb nextcloud instance cost around 10CAD per month and I get office suite and much more. I don’t understand why people and organisation don’t use it more. It’s gsuite or ms365 on a private server.
the problem with orgs is that is not tied to a few users.
you need something scalable, higly reilable and with high availability.
that costs more than a single instance (load balancer + mettered traffic + separated database + N number of deployments + s3 storage), plus you need to pay for the sysadmin/devops engineer who will deploy and maintain that.
having that reduced for a single package in which you just pay per user… that reduces a lot.
for small orgs or entities, what you propose makes sense, and their IT person could handle it. but not when you start having more than 10 concurrent users and their issues…
(they could use nextcloud from entities who resell the service, this is something that would work as a replacement to o365 and goolag workspaces)
Where are you hosting it for that low?
Which VPS do you use?
My 1Tb nextcloud instance cost around 10CAD per month and I get office suite and much more.
NextCloud is open source and self-hostable? Why not just cut out the middle man, pay for a cheap desktop computer, turn it into a server and host it yourself?
I don’t understand why people and organisation don’t use it more
I personally didn’t like NextCloud, I felt like for the tools they offered there were better alternatives out there, it also felt like I was bringing work home which is a big no-no.
What do you like better? Especially if it’s not like bringing work home.
What do you like better? Especially if it’s not like bringing work home.
In the brief time I used it I’ll admit it offers quite a lot of tools in a single service, I never explored all of them but found alternatives to offer more functionality.
PDF Editor? BentoPDF
Calendar? Well there are plethora’s of WebDAV softwares out there; SabreDAV, Davis, Milton.
Text and or calls? Well lately I’ve converted majority of my chats to Matrix using my own home server and using Sable as my client, I much prefer the transparency with encryption keys.
If you want everything in one place sure NextCloud is certainly the route, however as I mentioned in my previous comment it felt like i was at work when I was at home, it didn’t fit the need for me and was considered wasted resources on my server.
Computers require specialized information. Those that have that information are–by nature of capitalism–herded into pens that sell software. For a business a lot of pain and capital could be avoided if its constituents were educated to a satisfactory degree on computers.
National governments have failed woefully in computer education. What initiatives they had were infiltrated and distorted by for-profit-software which transformed them into classes on how to use their software.
I do think programming is a required prerequisite to thriving in a modern society. An uncountable amount of hours have been wasted because “the computer said so.” To program is as much a requirement as the ability to write was earlier. To be able to utilize a computer without being able to program it is akin to being able to read but not write. There’s a fundamental disconnect with software that is exploited for criminal profits.
Has anyone used this vs something like filen, which is a German company?
Chipping in to say that they already have a great CLI app for Linux. I have it set up to auto-backup the Vaultwarden database on my homelab. Just type
jotta-cli add <your folder>and it will be automatically synced!A GUI app is great for making it accessible to more people, though 😊
Great to see more european services.
Great to see more european services.
Norway not being a member of EU, i had to check:
The General Data Protection Regulation (Regulation (EU) 2016/679), abbreviated GDPR, is a European Union regulation on information privacy in the European Union (EU) and the European Economic Area (EEA).
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That’s not what they said
Europe is a continent, EU is an alliance on that continent, not all European services are EU-based
like i wrote under another comment, i don’t care about Europe but the rights that come with GDPR and EU.
I wasn’t sure, i checked and i learned.
I shared what i’ve learned thinking that there would be some others who, like me, wasn’t sure about GDPR applicability in Norway.yeah, Norway is in Europe! Who cares? Hungary too is in Europe! Georgia too. Some percent of Turkey and Russia too.
“European services”! Yay!
Let’s celebrate!Norway has just as strict privacy laws as the EU
Norway is apart of the EEA though… So it does still comply with GDPR ontop of their own privacy laws.
Still a european member, and have GDPR. Just not a member of the EU
did you even read what i wrote?
Yeah, you’re doing the “erm akchually” thing when it doesn’t matter.
Yeah, you’re doing the “erm akchually” thing when it doesn’t matter.
not at all. Exactly like i wrote, i wasn’t sure if GDPR was applicable in Norway.
UK too is in Europe without, now, being in EU. Apparently GDPR is modified for UK.Russia too is considered a European state! “yay, European services!” ?
It’s not about “erm actually” and I don’t understand why you’re so defensive about my first comment.
Interesting, anyone familiar with thrir privacy, securityrecord?
I’ve been using Jottacloud for a little under a year now. I use it for photo backups and much more. It has a lot of really good options been happy with it so far. It’s got some quirks still but worth it imo
Dude, their pricing is amazing. I signed up for the free tier to try it out first.
Dude, their pricing is amazing.
https://jottacloud.com/en/pricing
€7.5/month for 1TB seems pretty normal to me. Compared to other GDPR-compliant cloud providers* it’s neither cheap nor expensive.
* Drime, pCloud, Inernxt etc.
Is unlimited storage for 12.99 normal too?
What isn’t clear to me is if it’s 1tb per user or if it’s 1tb for all 5.
Probably 1tb for all 5
yeah, those prices are epic for retail… like cheap enough to make me skeptical.
Use Nextcloud
I’d like to ask people who use cloud storage what exactly you use it for. I’ve never understood the appeal. I barely use half the storage on my devices and for backups I just have an external drive. Syncing things can be done p2p via something like syncthing. So what is the actual use case for a centralized paid cloud service?
Redundant backups. I know that if I throw a file into it, it’ll likely survive if my house burns down.
i just have a safety deposit box at a bank for stuff like that
Not a diehard fan or heavy user of it anymore but it is, frankly, weird you’d even need to ask.
- It’s available where ever you have a connection. You can’t forget it or not realize you would need it. It’s just always available.
- It’s off site if something happens at home.
- Assuming you trust them, your data is safe. It’s not going to fail. It’s managed by someone paid to keep data safe for you. Economies of scale let them have more redundancy and verification than you. No stray atomic partical is going to flip a bit while it is on their servers.
- You can be lazy about it. I keep a working NAS, an older, slower NAS I back up that NAS to, and gave family offsite another NAS that I also back up to. I have many backup tasks and don’t rely on cloud storage. However, I need to, at least on occasion, make sure everything is still working… or I can fuck something up if I don’t property document or pay attention when doing anything major. Wouldn’t need to worry about that if I just used the cloud.
I guess I’m just not like super plugged in? Like your point about it being available anywhere. I keep my mp3s synced between my laptop and desktop so I can listen to music from both but I don’t use it outside the house. In the car I have little sd cards that have music in them that I plug in. And the radio. Mostly when I’m out and about I don’t need the internet or anything I have stored on my computers. What is it that you need access to all the time? As for data backups the only thing I really NEED to have is my passwords and I don’t trust the cloud with that. I do backup like my music library and stuff too but I just put it on an external drive. If I was paranoid about like losing it because my house burned down or something I would just stick a copy of those drives into a safety deposit box for cold storage. I’m genuinely curious what things you keep in the cloud that you need access to on the fly like that.
I don’t keep them in the cloud because every company these days is either horrendous or one acquisition away from being horrendous. I use a VPN and can access anything I need from my homelab where ever I am. However, if I didn’t feel so negatively about the companies just keeping things in the cloud would be easier.
Personally, I guess you could call me “super plugged in” if you want and just leave it at that. I use a lot of technology both professionally and as a hobby. I don’t need most things all the time, it’s just nice to have whatever I want, or on rare occasions need, whenever and where ever. Notes, records, documents, music, audiobooks, etc. Someone asks me about a recipe, I have it to share immediately. I get delayed for 20 or 30 minutes or have a long drive? Continue my audiobook or listen to music. It’s convenient to have something and be able to actually use it whenever.
Similarly, I have so many spare sets of tools in different places if I need to fix something for myself or someone else. Yet I still, somehow, find myself without the right tool sometimes and that really bothers me. I want to be helpful and useful. I could solve a problem, I have the tool, but I don’t have it with me in the moment. The same feeling hits me when I don’t have access to my digital stuff, hence the VPN.
My point isn’t “OMG how could you even live without the cloud?” I just don’t understand how you can pretend it offers no obvious convenience.
I mean I’m not saying it doesn’t offer things to you. That’s why I asked. I think maybe what’s obvious to you just isn’t obvious to me because I don’t do stuff like that. Like my life really would not change that much if I lived it in the 90s instead of today. I just don’t do much stuff that requires me to have access to files on the fly, or show them to other people. I genuinely don’t think I’ve ever needed to show someone else a digital file in my entire life that I was not emailing. If I was going to see someone in person I just print it out. And even thats rare.
The biggest plus (for me) is “access anywhere”. If you’ve ever needed a document in a hurry, it becomes easier to understand.
I self-host nextcloud on a vps for this and other solutions.
Well I guess maybe its work related stuff then? I don’t work in the officey/white collar sector so maybe that’s why I don’t get it.
Me either. I’m a semi-retired social worker. Still, there are times I’ve needed “proof of something” that I have available on my “cloud”.
If you’re an artist, you can have a portfolio there.
Sharing things with others and off-site backups.
What do you share with people?
That would be an extremely broad answer. Sometimes I just gotta send files to people. Especially in cases where E-mail would be a poor choice (e.g. large files), or where I’d need them to be able to write them as well.
Fair enough. Is this for a work thing? Maybe I’m just a luddite. I never find myself needing to do anything like that.
Personally I send PDFs of rules and stuff to friends for RPG games all the time. Also things like recipes, just general home making stuff, or the odd collaborative project where I need like 5 people to be able to access a document so we can compile information. None of that work related, idk maybe it’s a community thing more than anything else some communities just do more and need to share and make files than others.
Syncthing is a PITA to set up, especially if you want to exclude certain files from syncing to all devices in your “pool”. It’s super cool, don’t get me wrong, but it’s not easy to configure.
For my use case, Seafile is much better. I host it in house and everything I sync goes to the server, then I can choose what I want downloaded to any other device or just grab files as neccessary. I use it backup documents and downloads on each client (Android, Linux desktop, and Macbook). Then if I need a file that I had downloaded to my laptop, but it’s not in reach I can use my phone to pull JUST that file easily.
NOTE: Some people do not like Seafile because it stores data on the server in git-like chunks rather than flat files. I have my own way to manage that so I’m not worried. It’s also a Chinese owned company. But I don’t pay them, I host it at home, and it has not telemetry or internet access
What was so hard about it? Their web gui is pretty good I thought.
For my use case, needing to do the exclusions was the friction point for me personally. I did find the initial set up confusing too. For non-techy people, including myself when I tried it for the first time in the sense I wasn’t familiar with FOSS or Linux at all, it was confusing as hell. I’ll admit I haven’t tried it again since. But so far Seafile is the ticket for what I want to do with file sync across multiple OS and clients
What exclusions do you mean? Like specific files in a folder that you don’t want synced?
Because it’s easy. If you trust the service and they have backup functionality, you don’t have to do anything, other than install and sign in. All files synced and “backed up”. No need for an external hard drive. No need to remember to backup. Skate files with others easily.
Sure, you can achieve the same by other cheaper means, but then you have to spend the time doing it. And that’s just for the people that knows what they are doing.
You trust them with sensetive data?
I have my nextcloud instance that back up my important files from phone and computers. I also work with petty heavy audio and video sessions that I need to share and be able to access from other computers. The nextcloud sever makes things so much easier for us. The minute I change something and save it in a audio session, these changes will reflect on other computers accessing the project. That’s on top of when I need to share to files to random people, or work on share document in real time with others.I guess not everyone needs these features, but it was a game changer for me so having this services on my own server is actually great.
Yeah I don’t do that stuff but if I did I’d use my own one like you. A self hosted one. I don’t think I’d ever trust some company with my data.
I think is like a team/corporate solution thing. Idk, i don’t get it either.
I just checked them out. You get unlimited storage for just 12 Euros per month? There must be a downside somewhere?
“”“Unlimited”“”, but they cap your upload after 5TB.
So yeah, essentially unlimited means 5TB apparently.
This honestly seems a fair way to limit it. It doesn’t affect you if you’re just a regular person using it for occasional backups. But if you’re using it to constantly access and update data you ate incentivised to go for the more expensive plans (which imo is fair. 5tb is a lot of working data).
Plus it means the storage limit is a soft limit which allows you to clean it up in your own time.
You’re also assuming that Dropbox and co don’t do the same thing but just don’t tell you.
You’re also assuming that Dropbox and co don’t do the same thing but just don’t tell you.
I don’t assume anything, I just hate on marketing people calling things that clearly are not unlimited unlimited, even more so if these details are buried in some help database. I don’t know what Dropbox and co are doing and honestly don’t care. I essentially only use my own hard drives in combination with a storage box, which both have clear price tags and limits.
5 TB for that price seems fair though, around the same price as a storage box. Just hating the marketing here.
I mean, the storage is still unlimited though? You can keep putting data into it constantly and it’ll never say your storage is full.
And they aren’t hiding it either. They tell you up front on the plan comparison that speeds will be reduced above a certain point. All the information is there to evaluate the specs.
Thanks for the chart. I guess I’d be fine with the upload speeds up to 15 TBs, I’ll have to think about it. The slow down is pretty substantial past that mark.
You’re trusting someone else with your files.
I can just encrypt them before the upload.
It’s not just privacy but availability. Cloud outages are becoming more common.
True, but I always have local backups anyway.
You’ve got the most important parts covered then. The whole 1, 2, 3 backup plan is hard for most people without some cloud storage. I am lucky enough to have someone who lets me run a small server (mini PC) offsite to self-host backups.
I have never used Dropbox as a way to access my files live. Only as a way to auto sync between machines. Except in the mobile app, which doesn’t actually sync. I wish it did though since I too don’t want to rely on cloud services simply for access.
It’s a company so enshittification is unavoidable.
Shareholder owned companies have that flaw, but stakeholder owned companies like worker or consumer coöps don’t have that flawed misalignment.
genuinely what’s the difference?
stakeholder owned companies
Sounds like non profit with extra step…
“Unlimited”, until you hit a certain amount probably, but they likely only expect a small number of users to abuse this.
5TB transfer per month
Upload speeds are limited after 5TB under unlimited while it doesn’t appear to be under the other tiers.
Any cloud storage without an S3 API is going to be a tough sell for me.
At least there is an rclone integration https://rclone.org/jottacloud/.
How about Filen? They support S3 block storage, they also support self-hosting if you’re into that
What’s stopping Jottacloud from becoming Dropbox, or something else related.
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