Protonmail.uservoice.com is supposedly “The Voice of the Proton Community”. Well last week I was tracking a post that was rising rapidly to the top-most voted in the “general ideas” category. And this morning when I went to check if it was at the top yet, it’s just gone without a trace. No sign that it was ever there.
Wow, there were a ton of posts asking for Andy Yen’s resignation and now there’s no trace of any of them. So much for transparency. What else are they sweeping under the rug?
That’s about the worst way for them to respond.
I’m paid up for like 10 mo. But I disabled my renewals. And have started the move to Mailbox.
I believe in giving ppl and co’s a chance to learn from mistakes. But you pile more mistakes on those mistakes? And censor customer feedback about them? Well … you have competitors.
If you cancel they give pro-rata refunds I believe.
Oh good to know, thx! I will try that as soon as I’m totally switched over.
I have also started migrating to Mailbox.
Nice 👍 So far the onboarding process has been smooth. Haven’t tried to set up PGP keys yet, but doesn’t look hard to do.
Do you remember how high it was? Last I checked a few days ago it was a little over 2k I think. I gave the benefit of the doubt about the Trump appointee comments but glad I took this last week to move things off Proton. Not sure about a VPN replacement and gonna pay a few months for any mail I didn’t remember to move but otherwise I’m out and happy for it.
Alternatives time! I know I’m two weeks from my renewal, def need ALTs for my torrenting vpn and mailbox now. Any reccs from lemmy?
Welcome to the dictatorship of the Capital
Thanks for keeping tabs on this OP and posting an update.
I am genuinely surprised, although I shouldn’t be.
I’ll be sure to include this in my reasons when I cancel my account next week. Proton has been such a huge disappointment.
What the fuck did you think was going to happen lol
The fact Andy Yen has not resigned nor the board removed him, shows Proton can no longer be recommended in good faith, IMO. They have lost their way. Also find it logical that many of Protons top talent are pursuing alternative employment. Being called losers is high motivation for people who take pride in their skills.
This wasn’t the first time Andy showed us who he is. Won’t be the last.
“shows Proton can no longer be recommended in good faith, IMO.”
That’s been clear for a good while before all this.
I didn’t know their top talent is leaving. Do you have an article?
It would be very risky to not be looking for a new job after your employer schedules a “re-interview” and threatens your “continuous employment”.
Yeah. I get that. I would leave too. I just thought there was additional info suggesting high performer bleed
While I would definitely leave after this - were I of course a top performer at Proton - I would not make it public until I get to actually hand in the notice.
There is no evidence of this taking place. The users who replied to you are making assumptions.
So to answer your question, there is no such info.
In my experience, most of the Proton hate is unfounded and just users stanning for Mulvad. The Mulvad co-founder turned out to be a fascist. Oddly enough, there is little to no Mulvad hate.
Proton’s CEO is a dick but what CEO isn’t? It’s a prerequisite to be CEO, no? But there are no signs he’s a fascist. He also backed down from his comments and actions. Most leaders simply wouldn’t do that. He read the room.
Also, Proton is also a non-profit, which most don’t seem to realize. That means more to me than a CEO being a dickhead about capitalism (the system used world-fucking-wide) and AI stupidity. YMMV.
Bro fell for the HR response. Get off the sinking ship whioe you can. OpenAI was also a non profit.
Not to totally discredit you here, but we need to ask for better service and leadership. We can settle for better than Mullvad or Proton.
Proton is Israel and the US’ bitch. They aren’t trustworthy. Taking blacklists at face value with no appeal options, and banning accounts handed to them by the US.
Proton enthusiasts almost always downvote me when I point this out. It’s not my fault they are fucking stupid.
I think people (including me, until recently) give too much benefit of the doubt to business people, just because they’d rather believe they tell the truth when spousing ideals. Of course they’ll be shady when it makes financial sense, and even be dumbasses when it makes no financial sense.
Our system selects fairly well so that people like this end up being the primary decision makers, and it’s a very rare occasion when someone with morals makes it high enough and manages to stay there.
I’ve been thinking about this lately. We let these capitalists pretending to be Tony Stark using tech for the good of humanity when they all, without exception, proceed to use their efforts solely to harvest money and make themselves rich while engaging with childish excess, temper tantrums, and activities that harm us all. Musk is a prime example.
They all need to be tightly controlled, in both the marketplace and in any dealings they have with the government or with foreign governments. Starlink (and the space portion of Spacex) for example should be emminent domained and nationalized. We cant have idiot musk weighing in on policy decisions around Ukraine or meeting on the side with Putin and Netenyahu, or addressing congress. He’s only in it to make money, not govern. There needs to be a robust firewall between the two. Our government does not exist to give these capitalists hand jobs.
Well said, I’m not blameless in giving some of them more credit that they are due, and I’m accused of being supremely cynical. But if you go back from predictions and assumptions, I give them all too much credit even if it’s less than almost everyone else.
We have all the wrong people in charge. From the shift manager at the restaurant to the ceo’s and politicians. With some exceptions.
The leadership were all reared to believe in nothing. No morals, no loyalty outside of self interest. And they choose those people all the way down.
Nov 3 snapshot of the General Ideas page, showing top post calling for Yen’s departure: https://web.archive.org/web/20261103153135/https://protonmail.uservoice.com/forums/945460-general-ideas
Nov 7 snapshot of the post with 2457 votes: https://web.archive.org/web/20261107022144/https://protonmail.uservoice.com/forums/945460-general-ideas/suggestions/51869994-andy-yen-ceo-should-step-down-completely
Current link to the post bounces to the list with message “That idea has been deleted” https://protonmail.uservoice.com/forums/945460-general-ideas/suggestions/51869994-andy-yen-ceo-should-step-down-completely
These should all be referenced when writing to the Proton Foundation until a response is issued.
They have also been purging messages on the ProtonMail subreddit which they control. The community-controlled alternatives like ProtonPublic have been unaffected.
I deleted my Proton account back when this started and it seems like that was the right move. This company is fucked.
Is it fucked? Or it it about to become one of the most successful companies in the world, given the apparent requirement to be terrible and exploitive in order to be a giant company.
It’s not the only one that was taken down. Some of them have just been tagged as “deleted”. Others, perhaps those with more traction, have been disappeared completely.
I contributed my opinion to one of these posts and it has completely vanished without a trace.
The ‘justification’ theyre using is, “We run this forum to manage feature requests”. The implication being that a stable, secure, trustworthy product is not a feature we can request.
Yeah almost every top post on General Ideas was related to getting rid of the CEO, yesterday when I checked, almost all of them were gone 😅
You know what that means, time to make some new posts
Doesn’t surprise me, given recent Proton news.
I had breifly heard that the CEO was pro-Trump when Trump was re-elected, so I had cancelled then and than searched out Canadian hosts that do not look through my mail. I was first with HostHero, because I could move my blog onto there servers they however charge an arm and a leg for unlimited emails with no wildcard option. I got tired of their angry support people when I was having issues so I went looking for a better solution and found easyDNS, who now hosts my domain, a VPS, and an email with a wildcard option.
Tuta is good too.
