With simple messager selling out & qksms no longer being actively worked on. What’s our options for open source sms messagers?
Should I dedicate time to learning flutter and building my own or does anyone know any cool foss projects working on this issue?
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You definitely shouldn’t invest time in SMS. Without RCS (or some custom messaging protocol support), “texting apps” are pretty much a dead market.
RCS is
both more secure andmore user friendly than SMS can be by design. Once the iPhone gets RCS support in the coming months/years, this will be especially true.If you message cross-platform from Android to iOS, and you can’t get everyone to agree upon a 3rd party app, then you’re kind of stuck with sms. This isn’t a problem that is going away in the near future. Apple relies on their locked messaging platform to influence their users into thinking iOS is the best. The users then pressure all of their friends to get iPhones too. It’s an effective strategy for them. Very few iPhone users seem to understand the games being played.
https://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/apple-iphone-getting-rcs-2024-imessage-news/
Maybe try searching what I said first…?
In fairness, even the author of the article you linked didn’t think that’d ever happen. I’m somewhat up to date on most general tech things and missed this announcement too (though to be honest I don’t follow Apple announcements anyway).
There is no open source RCS messaging app afaik
Plenty of services still unfortunately rely on SMS for 2FA, so we’ll still need a client to receive them. Doesn’t really need to be able to send them though, I don’t think any human has sent an SMS message deliberately for about 12 years!
I don’t think any human has sent an SMS message deliberately for about 12 years!
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I don’t know anyone in Canada that isn’t a new Canadian that uses anything other than the default sms app on their phone. (FBM and Insta and what not don’t count in my example).
SMS is alive and well in Canada.
My condolences. But seriously though, what if you want to have a group chat, or send a file?
Plenty of group chats that mix iMessage and sms, just through iMessage, or just sms group chats.
Most new Canadians I interact with have WhatsApp, however, as I understand that’s quite popular abroad.
SMS doesn’t have group chats does it? Unless your client is just sending the same message to everyone and grouping together the responses?
I don’t know about the underlying technology, but every client I’ve used for the past couple decades supported groups.
However, they absolutely sucked. There was no way to leave. Unless someone made a new group without you and everyone used that, you’d keep getting messages.
SMS is my primary mode of contact with the rest if the world. I use Signal as well, but most people I know only use SMS.
So how do you have group chats or send files with your non-Signal contacts?
You don’t x)
More seriously, in these cases, I often rely on emails instead. But I don’t really use group chats a lot (even with my contacts that are on Signal), nor send many files, so it’s not features I really miss. And SMS works with everyone, so it’s always my default if the contact isn’t on Signal.
Blimey, you and I have wildly different use cases, I don’t think I’ve sent an email to someone who wasn’t a business for decades!
Group chats work over SMS. I use cloud links for large files or just SMS/MMS for pictures and you just live with the low quality if texting with an iPhone user.
SMS doesn’t have group chats does it? Unless your client is just sending the same message to everyone and grouping together the responses?
I mean, maybe? I’ve used group texts with every sms client on every android smartphone I’ve ever used. Don’t know how it works on the backend.
It has never occurred to me to do either of those things, and apparently hasn’t to anyone I’m in contact with either.
Though I don’t use group chats or send files in Signal either, so there’s that.
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You’re right, I’ve updated my reply… Hopefully someday that will be a generic RCS feature not exclusive to Google and/or Apple and Google will work to make the E2EE work between their two systems.
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If the MLS group messaging encryption protocol can get finalized any day soon then they might use that
Samsung messages has Google’s RCS implementation and E2EE, too.
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Quick question, is RCS mostly a protocol used in the US or something? Cos never heard of the term here in Europe. Maybe I just live under a rock tho.
I am on Vodafone and I have it as well. I heard it’s only available on the Google Messages app and on Samsung’s app.
If you have a Samsung or use the Google SMS messaging app then you can use RCS via their servers, even in Europe
I use QUIK. It’s pretty minimalist and quite nice to use.
QUIK is a fork of QKSMS but updated. Partison SMS is another fork
Where can these be found?
Both can be found in GitHub. I use Obtainium to get QUIK releases.
obtainuim looks really useful for keeping these updated, but is there a reason they aren’t just on f-droid? until now I thought that was considered the norm or standard for open source android apps
F-Droid either requires app developers to set up their own repository (and point users to them) or to follow the F-Droid repo rules (the F-Droid devs compile and sign your app, not you)
Thank you
Yeah
There’s no privacy in SMS messaging anyway. I use the messages app from AOSP. A little ugly but it works just fine.
Partisan-SMS 100%. P-SMS is a security/privacy focused fork of QKSMS.
does Partisan-SMS function as a basic sms messager without encryption?
Yes it does, it works with or without encryption
Qksms is dead? That’s a bummer I was quite happy with it after signal stopped being a great SMS app for some reason.
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The simplemobiletools apps are being forked by one of their bigger co-developers, so I’ll just use that as soon as it’s available.
Until then, as long as you got the build from F-Droid, there shouldn’t be anything to worry about.
link to the new fork
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There’s just no point in developing an app for a dead service. Just use the AOSP messaging app when you need.
I’m happy with my version of simple messenger, I’ve not updated it for a while… Am I good to keep using that? Can you explain more what you mean by selling out?
The lead dev sold simplemobiletools to Zippo Apps (or whatever they’re called), a company known for buying apps and stuffing them full of ads, trackers and bullying people into buying subscriptions.
That news came a bit out of the blue, and while I understand why he sold it, the fact that he sold it to such a fuckface company that goes against everything his apps stood for is… yeah
That’s very disappointing to hear. I’ve upgraded to the latest Fdroid version, and I guess that is where the updates will end!
One of the developers is forking the whole project.
What an absolute legend!
If you’re looking for it - https://github.com/FossifyOrg
Thanks :)
I’m using this ohne after Signal dropped SMS support
That is the one selling out. All “simple” tools where sold to an ad firm, the f-droid version is probably fine for now but if you got it from Google play : run.
https://www.androidauthority.com/simple-mobile-tools-acquisition-3391041/
Didn’t notice, thx.
That’s simple mobile tools, which op was referring to as the sellouts.
That’s the app OP is talking about ‘selling out’ to advertisers.
