V: … Deny that you let him have his way with you, him with his armbands and jackboots! Well? Cat got your tongue? I thought as much. Very well. So you stand revealed at last, you are no longer my Justice. You are his Justice now, you have bedded another. Well, two can play at that game!
“Madame Justice”: Sob! Choke! Wh-Who is she, V? What is her name?
V: Her name is Anarchy. And she has taught me more as a Mistress than you ever did! She has taught me that Justice is meaningless without Freedom. She is honest, she makes no promises and breaks none. Unlike you, Jezebel. I used to wonder why you could never look me in the eye. Now I know. So goodbye, dear Lady. I would be saddened by our parting, even now, save that you are no longer the woman that I once loved.
Just like V was changed from an anarchist in the V for Vendetta movie, Superman also had more radical leftist origins.
Take from it what you will, but Alan Moore gave some clarity on the differences in an interview:
Alan Moore made his disdain for the movie version of “V For Vendetta” clear during an interview with MTV. “[The comic] was specifically about things like fascism and anarchy,” said Moore. “Those words, ‘fascism’ and ‘anarchy,’ occur nowhere in the film. It’s been turned into a Bush-era parable by people too timid to set a political satire in their own country … It’s a thwarted and frustrated and perhaps largely impotent American liberal fantasy of someone with American liberal values [standing up] against a state run by neo-conservatives — which is not what ‘V for Vendetta’ was about.”
defender of the status quo. Anyone intent on making actual meaningful change is painted as criminally insane, no matter how good their points may be.
EDIT: More downvotes than upvotes, I think lemmy misunderstands my point. People like superman, I do too. The morals that superman is supposed to be the embodiment of are good ones to have. In a sane and rational world, everyone should look up to superman. We do not live in a sane and rational world. Superman’s world is supposed to resemble the real world, but with super people in it, therefore the shittiness of the real world can be assumed to exist in superman’s world. We have a wealthy businessman president, and he’s not a genius playboy philanthropist, Both marvel and dc tell us that the real world is as good as it gets, and the real world sucks ass right now. Superman was envisioned by his original creators to be a super man, he who could punch the problems that us regular people can’t. So where are the stories in which superman fights the problems us real people have? Those stories don’t exist. Superman, in the modern era, exist to protect the status quo. Any real meaningful change is scary to the audience, and actively threatening to the companies that own the property. Therefore, superman licks the boot.
i was thinking about the elite, but there’s tons of examples if i were to put any effort into thinking about it.
luthor I have different grievances with, particularly the glorification of wealthy businessman, and how they’re almost always depicted as being charismatic geniuses. This portrayal in fiction makes the statement that real world billionaires are genius playboy philanthropists, wether that’s the author’s intention or not.
Batman is a 1% elitist who is basically an extention of the police. Notice that the only black criminals in Gotham are (sometimes) catwoman? It’s because the police just kill the black criminals.
But a deranged clown is going to blow up city hall? Better call the deranged guy in the bat costume.
And the guy in the bat costume will just put the deranged clown in a prison that can be easily escaped from. Under The Red Hood addresses this quite well, in my opinion.
Superman is a capitalist lap dog lol
V: … Deny that you let him have his way with you, him with his armbands and jackboots! Well? Cat got your tongue? I thought as much. Very well. So you stand revealed at last, you are no longer my Justice. You are his Justice now, you have bedded another. Well, two can play at that game!
“Madame Justice”: Sob! Choke! Wh-Who is she, V? What is her name?
V: Her name is Anarchy. And she has taught me more as a Mistress than you ever did! She has taught me that Justice is meaningless without Freedom. She is honest, she makes no promises and breaks none. Unlike you, Jezebel. I used to wonder why you could never look me in the eye. Now I know. So goodbye, dear Lady. I would be saddened by our parting, even now, save that you are no longer the woman that I once loved.
Just like V was changed from an anarchist in the V for Vendetta movie, Superman also had more radical leftist origins.
https://www.modnomadstudio.com/single-post/___su
He seemed like an anarchist in the movie to me
Take from it what you will, but Alan Moore gave some clarity on the differences in an interview:
Alan Moore made his disdain for the movie version of “V For Vendetta” clear during an interview with MTV. “[The comic] was specifically about things like fascism and anarchy,” said Moore. “Those words, ‘fascism’ and ‘anarchy,’ occur nowhere in the film. It’s been turned into a Bush-era parable by people too timid to set a political satire in their own country … It’s a thwarted and frustrated and perhaps largely impotent American liberal fantasy of someone with American liberal values [standing up] against a state run by neo-conservatives — which is not what ‘V for Vendetta’ was about.”
https://www.looper.com/633531/the-untold-truth-of-v-for-vendetta/
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defender of the status quo. Anyone intent on making actual meaningful change is painted as criminally insane, no matter how good their points may be.
EDIT: More downvotes than upvotes, I think lemmy misunderstands my point. People like superman, I do too. The morals that superman is supposed to be the embodiment of are good ones to have. In a sane and rational world, everyone should look up to superman. We do not live in a sane and rational world. Superman’s world is supposed to resemble the real world, but with super people in it, therefore the shittiness of the real world can be assumed to exist in superman’s world. We have a wealthy businessman president, and he’s not a genius playboy philanthropist, Both marvel and dc tell us that the real world is as good as it gets, and the real world sucks ass right now. Superman was envisioned by his original creators to be a super man, he who could punch the problems that us regular people can’t. So where are the stories in which superman fights the problems us real people have? Those stories don’t exist. Superman, in the modern era, exist to protect the status quo. Any real meaningful change is scary to the audience, and actively threatening to the companies that own the property. Therefore, superman licks the boot.
lex luthor?
i was thinking about the elite, but there’s tons of examples if i were to put any effort into thinking about it.
luthor I have different grievances with, particularly the glorification of wealthy businessman, and how they’re almost always depicted as being charismatic geniuses. This portrayal in fiction makes the statement that real world billionaires are genius playboy philanthropists, wether that’s the author’s intention or not.
I would love a storyline where Luther claims to be Ceaser, but is shown to be more akin to Nero.
That does sound interesting. Maybe you should write it.
Batman is a 1% elitist who is basically an extention of the police. Notice that the only black criminals in Gotham are (sometimes) catwoman? It’s because the police just kill the black criminals.
But a deranged clown is going to blow up city hall? Better call the deranged guy in the bat costume.
And the guy in the bat costume will just put the deranged clown in a prison that can be easily escaped from. Under The Red Hood addresses this quite well, in my opinion.