To be clear, I am only talking about people like the average working class Trump voter. The ones who just got caught by misinformation, and just haven’t been able to find a way out. Trump and all his mates are terrible people, and should be held accountable.

The average voter is another thing. My attitude is that I got lucky, and found out that Trump and his mates are terrible, instead of getting sucked down a rabbit hole of supporting them. Knowing how fascism works, I don’t know if I’d be able to reliably land on the right side if fascism happened in my home country. And if I don’t believe I could reliably spot fascism, I’m not comfortable acting like those who support Trump could have.

This isn’t a discussion of “just be a good person”. I know plenty of amazing, caring people who believe they’re doing the right thing.

This whole idea of “I can’t say is reliably avoid fascism” is based on this, the school that became fascist for a week. As bad of an experiment that was from that teacher, it was an effective way of teaching how people fall for what should be obviously a bad thing.

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        Cease fire was negotiated and secured by the Biden administration. Try again.

        Edit: or am I misunderstanding what you’re saying?

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            Fair dues. I started at .ml, and I’m not a rabid tankie troll, so I usually like to give the benefit of the doubt…up to a certain point, of course

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          No, it was not, it was negotiated by Trump’s envoy. Maybe you should do the smallest amount of research before trying to act like a smug redditer and give away your ignorance

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            Maybe do the smallest amount of research and realize that:

            • that’s a violation of the hatch act
            • thats the same fucking Nixon did with Vietnam
            • Bibi overtly prefers Trump because he knows Trump will not give a single shit about the human catastrophe being created, and won’t even try to slow it down?

            Do you genuinely believe the bullshit you’re spouting? I don’t mean to be meaninglessly hostile to you - I’m asking how you can possibly believe that line when it’s trivial to disprove.

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              I don’t care about the persnickety procedural bullshit that you blueanon fucks think is more important than thousands of human lives. “Oh No, it’s actually bad that the genocide stopped, because that violates the Hatch Act!” You Fucking Ghoul.

              Biden actively supported the human catastrophe Israel created but because you spent the last year being a genocide denying DNC cultist, you’ve blotted that fact out.

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                  “Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.” ― Jean-Paul Sartre

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              I realize that BlueAnon extremists like you would rather reject incontrovertible facts than admit you were wrong, but they are still incontrovertible facts.

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                One, I’m Canadian, two I’m firmly left, well past “liberal”. Two, you’re not really worth talking to. Have fun screaming into the void buddy.

                Edit: heh, I’m just going to leave the poorly numberedness.

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                  Being a Canadian only makes being a BlueAnon cultist worse; and no, blueAnon is not left, it is firmly liberal.

                  Two, you’re not really worth talking to. Have fun screaming into the void buddy.

                  “Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.” ― Jean-Paul Sartre

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          If you did any research, rather than just trying to confirm your own fantasy, you’d know that it was done by Trumps envoy, so drop the smug reddit shithead act and actually look at the facts.

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              Jesus, this election really has broken BlueMAGAs brains now; you’re being given uncontraversial facts and just saying “Nuh UH!” followed by the usual reddit shitlord cliches.

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                  “Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.”

                  ― Jean-Paul Sartre