In the EU, there’s now more women finishing higher education, and going into research programs, than men. (1)
Education in general is quite fucked up for boys, but they are not a protected group so we let them suffer.
What protections would you like to see for men?
For education specifically, here’s an APA article discussing the problem with a US context, but I have seen the same patterns across other Western education as well.
https://www.apa.org/monitor/2023/04/boys-school-challenges-recommendations
Simply put, sit-and-listen education disadvantages boys, who also tend to receive more severe punishment than girls for the same behaviours. Add on to that gender stereotypes push boys to be dominant, and doing well at school is not cool for boys.
In general, there are a lot of issues we are simply blind to regarding men. Men are treated as disposable, always potential combatants in a war, never the victim and always the perpetrator of domestic violence and violent crime in general.
I like this. But while the study is sex specific, fixing this would benefit boys and girls.
Humans weren’t meant to sit in a chair and be talked at.
Well damn. If it helps both I don’t wanna do it anymore.
But the structural inequalities and sexism???
Don’t worry, men will go in the corporate world and make more money than women professors.
Yeah, most men won’t. Only the soulless assholes will.
😢 Soul-having (what’s the opposite of soulless?) people will just be forced to work in the corporate world without making more money…
Thank god!
It’s sadly creating a class of alienated working class men because the working class men don’t want to accept non-traditional relationship roles.
There’s also a strange cultural phenomenon, that whenever a statistic is not in favour for women, it’s concluded to be a sign of systemic injustice, and corrective action must be taken. Whenever a statistic is not in favour of men, it’s concluded men are a problem.
Maybe that’s because the patriarchy favours men.
Maybe that’s because the patriarchy favours a minority of men.
Go read The Will to Change, then come back and tell me that the majority of men are having a grand time.
You’re picturing the men at the top, which are few. The majority suffer.
Here in the UK (and I imagine it’s similar across the rest of Europe), the most disadvantaged group in education are white, working class boys.
But this doesn’t fit the “privilege” narrative so no one gives a shit.
Nothing logical fits your terf agenda but you push it anyway
Edit: go back in their history far enough, you’ll find it
…eh? Who mentioned trans?
It’s a fact that white, working class boys are being left behind by the system: https://committees.parliament.uk/committee/203/education-committee/news/156024/forgotten-white-workingclass-pupils-let-down-by-decades-of-neglect-mps-say/
There’s no agenda here.
Mmhm. The men at the top are the ones to blame when a statistic isn’t in favour of men. Like suicide rates. The men at the top are getting so many men killed.
Maybe them being men is not their defining feature. And they simply love you blaming all men instead of them specifically.
Drag didn’t say all men. It seems like you added that part.
I think the last part of your sentence is a little one-sided. It takes two to form a relationship and women can be just as non accepting of non traditional relationships as men.
I guess that’s fair
That’s true, but the person perceived to be “in power” in the relationship (what was called traditionally the breadwinner) is less likely to complain about the situation. I don’t think many working people, women or otherwise, think “I wish I could work at home tidying up the house for no salary and have no income of my own!”
I agree with your point still - once children are in the equation some women might shift towards the traditional view if that means they’d get to stay at home spending time with them.
think “I wish I could work at home tidying up the house for no salary and have no income of my own!”
No, they think that “since I’m a higher social class, I will not date anyone without a doctorate”. Women still largely tend to seek men earning more than them due to existing or perceived pressures, it’s just that since they now earn more, everyone is a bit lonelier.
To be clear, I’m not saying that women should go back to earning less, I’m saying that people should adapt and be happier.
I don’t think anyone wants to be entirely dependent on someone else’s income, but I do think women are more likely to complain if they’re the breadwinner than men are, because of the same traditionel view. You’ll rarely hear a guy say “we’ve grown apart” if his wife works a dead end job or has a lower education.
“I wish I could work at home tidying up the house for no salary and have no income of my own!”
As a fun aside: both my wife and I would both love to do this! Unfortunately it’s just too tough financially in the modern world, so it’s never a really serious discussion.
Plus we would have to flip a coin or something to decide who has to be the breadwinner.
We don’t really have a relationship that revolves around power-roles though, so it’s a bit of a different discussion.
Yes, women can also suffer from toxic masculinity.
At least europe it has kind of switched to the opposite in recent years.
I did a doctorate in physics and women had a much easier time finding PhD/post-doc positions because there is just much more funding available.
Most groups in my institution were majority women.
Professorships are still nearly all men, but that’s largely down to the sexism of the previous generations (back in the 60s-90s when they got their positions). This will slowly shift in the coming decades.
I can somewhat confirm your first statement.
I began my Master’s study a few years ago and had to retake a course since I’ve switched to another university and they claimed that my Bachelor’s study wasn’t equal to theirs. A female friend of mine did the exact same and had exactly the same education as me. The dean of our new study wrote her personally and said that he will make sure that she doesn’t have to retake any courses if she starts studying here. I’m still kinda pissed about that tbh.
Yey, reversed sexism ! That sure will solve every problem !
Can’t we just treat people as equal ?
We literally can’t, not while the structures we live in are built to benefit men.
Equality will only come with structural change, which at times will look like reverse sexism. But if a woman is hired with half the publications, and it is twice as hard for a woman to get published (just as a fictional example), then it’s not really reverse sexism even if it looks like that on the surface.
In the US this is true in academic philosophy and probably the humanities more generally. Women get tenure track positions with, on average, half the number of publications that men have. Most tenured professors are men, but it’s slowly changing as the strong preference for women at the junior levels percolates upward. Within the next twenty or thirty years we’ll need to address the bias against men in junior positions or we’re going to end up with the same problem but in reverse.
This was my wife’s experience while in her doctoral program in the States, as well. The structural misogyny and firm barriers to career progression kicked in when she moved to the private sector afterwards.
Outside of a few niches like computer science this is increasingly true in the US as well AFAIK.
Interesting how computer science is an outlier here when (IIRC) the first programmers were women.
At least math being outlier “makes sense”.
I blame (in no small part) Hollywood and movies like Jurassic Park for pushing stereotypes about the field being dominated by creepy, obese, and gross “computer nerds.”
Damn it, the stereotype is basically me
I mean I can say for the us, 35 years ago my bachelors program for microbiology had a majority of men but there were still a lot of women. 30 years ago in a PhD they accepted 4men and 4woman but one guy never showed, another dropped mid first semester, another dropped between semester, and I dropped mid second semester. As of that time all four women stayed in the program but I know one was thinking of switching (non of the men continued to seek a doctorate). I worked in diagnostic assays a bit but saw the same thing. More women to begin with and guys left in droves. Most got mbas and did managagement or went for tech jobs.
I’m sure this will turn into a men vs women comment section ; which is exactly the problem because it’s actually rich vs. poor.
It’s rich men versus everyone. The rich men are doing a good job of making people think it’s something different
Nah, I think it’s impt to just know that we can all just live however we choose, no one should tell us anyone can just be one way
Stoopid smart wamen!
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What a clever comment on modern society, this will truly change the way everyone looks at women in jobs
He could’ve saved the world with this comic, but instead he decided to be snarky. What a loss…
did you mean: “what a
:.|:;”?There’s a special place in hell for people like you
i count on the warmest bathtub they have down there:) Would be a shame if there’s no heaven or hell.
