Look at here and the people who complain about it being too hard to figure out are the ones complaining about “I can’t use muh slurs, this is awful.”
“The left of today is very much in favour of censorship to avoid “harm.” This makes those of us in the middle very wary of signing up to any partisan media.” /u/decidedlysticky23
/u/misshapensteed claims he isn’t far right, but explictly only posts on PoliticalCompassMemes and TheLeftCantMeme and KotakuInAction.
If they are too stupid to figure out we know they’re lying, they’re too stupid to figure out lemmy.
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they’re too stupid to figure out lemmy
Please let’s not introduce elitism into Lemmy. I just got here and stumbled upon this post. The social network you use does not make you superior. As much as I agree with anti-racist censorship, there is no need to speak as if Lemmy users are superior beings. It was annoying when Redditors did it back in the day and it will continue to be now.
I mean more as “if you can’t look past skin tone and gender, you can’t probably read a sign up sheet.”
Racists are idiots. The ones who learned better aren’t idiots because they applied new knowledge.
Racists just regurgitate what they were told since birth, without questioning anything and doubling down.
Is Lemmy better? Remains to be seen. But if they refuse to join because we won’t tolerate slurs, that’s a bonus.
Quite. Remember narwhaling bacon? Never again.
Elitism aside, having a barrier to entry is better in my opinion.
I don’t know how old you are but there was a time from the mid-90s to the mid-2000s where in my opinion the Internet, in its infancy, was at its greatest… and these federated services remind me of those times.
This time before corporations ran the Internet and every moron had access to it at their fingertips. It was a time when it took real effort to get online, and so the entirety of the Internet consisted of enthusiasts and small fragmented communities. It was beautiful looking back at what it once was and how organic it was, and sad to see what it has become now.
Now the Internet is ruled by corporations mining data, and every moron under the sun happily giving it away for the next dopamine hit engineered to keep them online longer. Companies using this data to manipulate specific demographics and eventually larger swathes of society to do whatever they want… no thanks, I’d rather not be a part of that circus.
I’d rather the barrier to entry be higher, in my opinion, it increases the signal to noise ratio… which is at an all time low on most other social media sites.
Exactly this.
As an analogy, I personally think the Linux desktop is better than Windows but I don’t think desktop Linux users are inherently better than Windows users.
Sure, desktop Linux users are probably more tech savvy on average but they are probably also more likely to be less socially capable imo. (like me)
“I use Arch by the way”
(I kid, I kid… I use garuda)
I do actually run arch btw :)
Praise the Arch wiki though
Pleb. I use Gentoo.
(Fedora, actually.)
I actually use gentoo and I love y’all
Pleb. I use NixOS.
(Arch
btwactually)
claims he isn’t far right
Right-wing extremists do this to make it seem like their position is widely held and “normal.” The worst extreme right-wing party we have here in Finland (Valta kuuluu kansalle or “Power Belongs to the People”, aka Valta kuuluu Kremlille or “Power Belongs to the Kremlin”) claims to be center right. The head of the party is a pro-Russia flat earther who doesn’t believe in climate change, and the party is staunchly anti-immigration
Performative Overton acrobatics.
I wish the fediverse is able to contain all the ideas, all the political positions and that disconnecting/blocking an instance is only used for behaviors like spamming. Not giving every political stance the opportunity to be a part of the same world fuels extremists.
Beehaw and other instances can kick all the users with far-right beliefs. That’s fair. But Lemmy users shouldn’t be blocked to listen to or even interact with them, in their own instances, if they wanted. Don’t help creating political ghettos.
How would I be blocked from “listening to” (that’s never what’s going on) psedo-Nazis in my own instance?
Sorry, I didn’t understood what you meant. Especially the parenthesis part.
That’s the unimportant part.
Let me be clear. I’m asking, “How would I be blocked from listening to and interacting with anyone in my own instance?”
I’m not super over how the fediverse works mechanically; I was under the impression that users could create their own instances and interact with who they choose to?
The “centrists” that all all in favor of letting the oppressor and the oppressed talk their differences in a neutral playground are great.
Requires a level of love for the status quo and lack of reflection that never ceases to amaze.
Dude, you are not in the center. You are three steps from the neonazis and a thousand kilometers from the tankies. Even if you are opposed to the “extremes” and “mu horseshoe” yo are not equidistant.
I’m not that kind of communist so I won’t likely interact with lemmygrad but for the rest of lemmy I’m not concerned with the devs being tankies unless they lean hard into silencing disssenting views from the rest of the left like anarchists and other flavors of socialists
The beauty of the system is that they really don’t have that power. It’s open source and federated, so at most they can ban people from instances they run
True, it just leaves a bad taste in my mouth I suppose. Just another of the many many grey areas of life and trying to be as ethical as possible under a capitalist system
Yeah no disagreement there, as a non-auth leftist tankies really activate my almonds
The fact that guys like that dont feel welcome on Lemmy is a testament to Lemmy getting it right. I think it differentiates itself from the awful social media clones of the past like Voat or Vidme. I’ll leave it at that because we should probably shy away from outrage bait. As much as I’d like to i cant do anything about him and he is driving his buddies away from us
I’m glad that Beehaw doesn’t do it, but the other instances shouldn’t be federating the Tankies.
Authoritarian, genocide-denial, Stalin-praising politics have no place on the left.
You’re totally right tbh, such types are ideally gonna go elsewhere for their freeze peach.
/dev/nullseems to have ample room, they should try there
What’s funny is there is nothing stopping them from making their own instance. I think the hesitation stems from them coming to grips with reality that few people really want to engage with their messaging when they step out of their bubble.
Because they can’t make people who don’t agree with them miserable if they’re all relegated to their own bubbles.
One of the funny events on Mastodon was that someone set up an instance that was far right and almost within a few hours, all the other instances had de-federated from it and blocked it
No-one was stopping them setting up their own instance but they all said “you don’t play well with others so go play on your own!”
That’s how a healthy society should be. Bigotry is always a minority of society. The media has been inflating its perceived reality to attract more people away from criticizing the current economical system. Fashism 2.0.
It is funny how the only viable Reddit alternative I’ve found so far (here) isnt led by weird libertarian tech bros but communists lol
Yes. This is a different platform, I’d rather we don’t just transplant all the reddit problems here.
Lemmy is inherently political. It was and is a revolt against reddit’s staff, their business model and the influence of US politics, media and corporations on their platform due to their advertising model. This place wouldn’t exist if there wasn’t political differences.
We’re not here to impress people who were banned for spreading Nazism. Go to all the reddit-clones that started in the early 2010s when reddit got called out for hosting toxic racist-or-fascist hate communities and communities sexualizing minors (e.g. /r/jailbait).
Everything is inherently political. If anyone thinks it isn’t, it’s just because the politics favour them.
This is true, politics is not something distinct which can be considered separate from or optionally added to society, culture or economics, although Lemmy is also explicitly political. That might be more what I intended to say.
(The real kicker is realizing that abstaining is not politically neutral.)
Very true. A good phrase is “the personal is political”. Politics refers to organization, power, and decision-making, and so much of our lives is determined by decisions outside our control.
Exactly. I’m not exactly hiding my politics.
If anything, I’m glad being open about it means that a lot of bigots aren’t going to use lemmy in the first place. A natural filter to keep the transphobes and McCarthyites elsewhere.
Yes, exactly. If we can have the equivalent of Reddit without the bigots, it’s a big plus. Tired as a trans woman to go on r/Gaming and see transphobic comments
Not speaking for anyone but me, but sometimes when people say they something is too political it really means too much “extreme” political views. Personally I don’t want to interact with extreme auth-left or auth-right content. I think politely discussing why access to housing should be guaranteed by government, or arguing for lower corporate taxes or whatever, isn’t what bothers most people.
Fortunately Fedi allows instances who are fine with it host those users, and I don’t have to see it. And Lemmy -the project- isn’t political, it’s just software for which I’m grateful to the devs.
I was almost gonna agree until the end but unfortunately, I really can’t agree with the notion that technology is not political.
The project is political. The license they chose for the software, what they’re using to develop it, how they fund the development of the project are all very political things.
I’ll admit that I struggled to figure out Mastodon when twitter changed hands. For me it was either too confusing or not worth figuring out. Maybe it was just the nature of it being more about personal posts, so each server was much more different.
I had no such trouble with Lemmy/Beehaw. Drop-in replacement. That said, I don’t think I’m a communist? I’m not a raging capitalist either though? I’m just kinda here.
If you joined beehaw, you aren’t exposed to lemmygrad which is what they may be talking about. Some of them are far, far left and because they outnumbered other Lemmy users, the general vibe of viewing posts was a little extreme.
They are dropping away on the community browser so they may be relegated to niche rather than dominant as more users join.
As someone who is far, far left, I just want to say that Lemmygrad doesn’t represent us all. The libertarian left is very different.
Ditto. I’d call myself a socialist, but they’re so far “left” they’re far right again, imo. Pro-dictators and forceful subjugation and whatnot. Tankies. Not really sure what makes them left at all, really, except by virtue of the word communism and the fact that everyone seems to have agreed they are.
At least, assuming this crowd is the same as similar crowds I am familiar with - I’ll admit I have not explored lemmygrad much, and I don’t particularly intend to.
Tankies are just right-wingers who simp for different countries.
Yeah, I told a guy today his hate of communism was totally his own prerogative, but he might want to put it aside to make a unified front against the impending Reddit changes. He flipped out on me and called me some choice words. Just another day on Reddit I guess.
Ah, perhaps you needed a translator to put things in terms this particular individual could understand. Let me help:
Woke woke WOKE wOke, woke wOKe WOKE!!! 😡
This is the kind of dumb trash that makes me apolitical. Just like being athiest, I think having extreme beliefs that privileges abstract ideologies over real humanity activitely makes people less empathetic and more dangerous.
The breadth of the human experience is so much bigger than the desparate shouts of politicians and their distracted followers.
Even if communism in its platonic form is closer to a humane government system than capitalism, I still don’t want to be constantly exposed to it.
Why, because political discussions are more concerned with complaining about a flawed system - AKA a flawed group of people erroneously granted too much power - than it is actually about solving problems.
Caring about humanity is why I care about politics, though. Politics is the vehicle through which humanity’s fate is decided. If you don’t participate in it, you allow people who do to run roughshod over you. Politics decides whether your country goes to war or not, whether people die in poverty or not, whether the climate apocalypse kills us all or not.
Note that by politics I do not necessarily mean electoralism. Voting is a stopgap measure at best. But there’s much more to politics than voting and elections.
Abstaining is not apolitical, either. Every choice you make related to politics, including the choice of not participating in elections or discussions or whatever, is political and has consequences. That doesn’t mean you need to be on political messageboards 24/7, either, but choosing to do nothing at all is an extreme position, of a kind. Apolitical just sounds like apathy, to me.
Whether the consequences of said apathy fall on you personally, well, perhaps not, for someone who feels safe enough to abstain.
P.s. please vote so us trans and nonbinary people don’t end up genocided. K thanks.
idk what feeling safe has to do with it. I was homeless a few months ago, I do not feel safe in my own private life. Regardless of that–I still prefer my link aggregators to have a focus on topics which I find entertaining.
Idk about you guys, but I get ZERO entertainment value out of political discussion or discourse.
Why does that necessarily have to reflect negatively back on me? You aren’t willing to accept me just because I don’t find enjoyment in the same things that you do?
Why does that necessarily have to reflect negatively back on me? You aren’t willing to accept me just because I don’t find enjoyment in the same things that you do?
i don’t think anyone’s saying it does–and in fact i think you’re kind of reading into a point that’s not being made (at least not intentionally). as i’m interpreting @Lowbird@beehaw.org and @balerion@beehaw.org here, they’re just saying that abstention or apathy is also an unavoidably political act in political discussions or circumstances, even if it seems like it isn’t, and that in some circumstances it can be as extreme as taking a political position.
i’d also note Lowbird in particular is making a distinction between “apolitical” abstention and the decision to not participate in online political discourse, because those are two different things and certainly the latter doesn’t speak to much of anything on anyone’s part politically.
They’re painting those who abstain from online political discussion to be privileged types who are taking advantage of the feeling of safety in their own lives and identity. I was simply refuting that caricature because I am a prime example of a person where it simply does not fit.
To be honest with you, when I want political discourse, I’m going to go and seek that out from scholars in the form of well-written books. There’s really barely any insight to be gained from the average complete moron on the internet.
No, they’re pointing out to people who claim the label “apolitical” that that’s both a political stance and a privilege that not everyone gets to have.
I obviously identify myself as apolitical on the internet when I have zero interest in discussing politics with strangers on the internet.
Does that make me privileged somehow?
On the one hand, I hate the right’s bullshit. But, on the other hand, there was some comfort in having the ability to keep tabs on them. If they pick a different space, it’ll be harder to anticipate what they’re planning.
They already have several. Vote, 8chan, 4chan, parler, telegram, truth spcial, pockets of reddit, and twitter now i guess. I can’t think of as many leftist equivalents.
frankly i can only think of hexbear and raddle as even remotely comparable “spaces”–and you’d need to be pretty online to even know what those are. left-social media is just not a thing in the same way as it is for the right and far-right
And that’s so crazy to me, honestly. I remember the days when not a single ISP was willing to host Stormfront, and every website instantly banned anyone who was being a nazi. Now they embrace them.
