• FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    48
    arrow-down
    8
    ·
    7 months ago

    If a dropout from Harvard starts a company doing literally anything then I would like to invest, please.

        • Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          17
          arrow-down
          7
          ·
          7 months ago

          Yeah, but you’d be profiting from a platform that has repeatedly enabled genocide and other human rights violations, election fraud and the like. And Zuckerberg shows no sign of ever letting them stop as long as it continues to drive engagement and therefore be profitable.

          Do you really want that blood money?

          • stanleytweedle@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            5
            arrow-down
            4
            ·
            7 months ago

            Every dollar you earn or spend has blood on it, not to mention the blood dripping from whatever device you used to write that comment. Kind of selective to shit on facebook stockholders like they’re uniquely culpable for the harm unregulated capitalism facilitates.

            • Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world
              link
              fedilink
              arrow-up
              2
              arrow-down
              2
              ·
              edit-2
              7 months ago

              Not uniquely, but worse than most, since FB knows the problems, knows exactly how to fix them and actively chooses not to in order to maximize profits.

              Not to mention that I happen to consider things like genocide and ethnic cleansing the worst of all crimes, which makes abetting those worse than the crimes of most other companies.

              Fact is that Facebook is one of the most powerful entities in the world, more powerful than many if not most countries and they’re knowingly abusing that power for profit.

              There’s nothing weird about holding them more accountable than for example a company with shoddy wages and working conditions. That’s of course unacceptable too, but it’s nothing compared to the atrocities of Facebook.

              • stanleytweedle@lemmy.world
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                2
                arrow-down
                2
                ·
                edit-2
                7 months ago

                since FB knows the problems, knows exactly how to fix them and actively chooses not to in order to maximize profits.

                Yeah FB is totally unique in that regard- lol.

                They’re just big and public and make a lot of news that you’ve heard about. Dig deeper into the financial system and you’ll find you live in a blood fountain theme park and you’re covered in it too. But I know some people can’t feel good about themselves without feeling morally superior to someone else so I guess if shitting on FB stock in particular is what you need who am I to deny you ;)

                • Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world
                  link
                  fedilink
                  arrow-up
                  2
                  arrow-down
                  1
                  ·
                  7 months ago

                  Again: genocide. Ethnic cleansing. Huge scale election fraud. Basically contributing to the demise of civilized society on hundreds if not thousands of occasions.

                  I know that basically all big companies are awful in one way or the other (usually several), but there is such a thing as differences in scale and there’s no doubt that FB is one of the worst of the worst.

                  • stanleytweedle@lemmy.world
                    link
                    fedilink
                    English
                    arrow-up
                    1
                    arrow-down
                    2
                    ·
                    edit-2
                    7 months ago

                    I know it’s important for some people to have a mascot for evil and I guess FB is yours. Don’t ever look into what the petroleum products you depend on has cost humanity.

          • Echo Dot@feddit.uk
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            4
            arrow-down
            11
            ·
            7 months ago

            If you’re basing your financial decisions on moral standings there’s going to be a lot of companies you can’t invest with. I’d argue that in order to be successful you have to unfortunately invest with unsavory people and companies.

            Some of the most profitable companies in the world will be Banks that hid Nazi gold, companies who underpay their workforces, and manufacturers who use child labor in China.

            Obviously I wouldn’t invest with them, but I also don’t have any money to invest. You find me a morally aware investment banker, should be a fun search.

            • Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world
              link
              fedilink
              arrow-up
              7
              arrow-down
              5
              ·
              7 months ago

              If you’re basing your financial decisions on moral standings there’s going to be a lot of companies you can’t invest with

              Obviously.

              I’d argue that in order to be successful you have to unfortunately invest with unsavory people and companies

              Whereas I’d argue that that’s a poor excuse for knowingly profiting off of suffering.

              Some of the most profitable companies in the world will be Banks that hid Nazi gold, companies who underpay their workforces, and manufacturers who use child labor in China.

              Which is why people who value ethics higher than wealth hoarding try to not do business with those companies when it’s avoidable.

              You find me a morally aware investment banker, should be a fun search.

              By definition impossible since stock trading is inherently immoral as it’s a fake wealth casino for the rich with (usually negative) real world consequences for everyone else.

              • Echo Dot@feddit.uk
                link
                fedilink
                arrow-up
                1
                arrow-down
                3
                ·
                edit-2
                7 months ago

                I’d argue that that’s a poor excuse for knowingly profiting off of suffering

                It’s not an excuse it’s a justification

                I feel like you’ll miss him the point. You’re expecting people who don’t share your values to share your values. Why would they do that?

            • Dasus@lemmy.world
              link
              fedilink
              arrow-up
              3
              arrow-down
              3
              ·
              7 months ago

              I’d argue that in order to be successful you have to unfortunately invest with unsavory people and companies

              “I know that I’m gonna have to do sns support non-ethical things. Straight up genocides even. But I personally don’t care, because I want money so I can pretend that ‘I’ve made it’”

              You find me a morally aware investment banker, should be a fun search.

              " Hey, I’m just in the slave trade because it’s so damn profitable. I would love doing it morally, but you try to find me a moral seller of slaves! "

              • Echo Dot@feddit.uk
                link
                fedilink
                arrow-up
                1
                arrow-down
                1
                ·
                7 months ago

                Yeah that’s exactly what they think. I’m only pointing it out I don’t agree with it.

      • FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        1
        arrow-down
        2
        ·
        7 months ago

        Imagine an alternate timeline where you owned 12% of Facebook in 2003. Everything that happened still happens, except now you have money and some other facebook investor has a little less.

        • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          3
          arrow-down
          2
          ·
          edit-2
          7 months ago

          I mean, over a career, that’s practically trivial. The $300-500k you pay in tuition can quickly be recouped when your starting salary is in the $200-400k range and only goes up from there. You’ll be doing far better as a Harvard grad than a trade school apprentice. And if you’re an aspiring SCOTUS judge or Fortune 500 CEO, there’s few places that offer you better prospects. After that, the sky’s the limit. 1000% ROI is conservative.

          But just getting into Harvard requires a certain exceptional resume and social standing. Bush getting into Yale and Kennedy getting into Harvard are less the exception than the rule. The MBA is just the way you signal to people not immediately familiar with you that you’re “in the club”.

          But if you run off and spit in the face of American Imperialism, clearly someone at the Harvard admissions board made a mistake.