There is no reason for him to sign his tweets

Where do I stop with the murder? Whats the criteria to be evil and deserve to die? Who decides what justice is? I agree that its a slippery slope and its why I think self justice like this is more self righteousness than anything

Then you’d need a majority in democracy to vote in their interests. But they voted for Trump, a man who wants to get rid of the ACA and impose senseless tariffs on all countries while cutting down on regulation that keeps people save and installing his own unhinged lackeys. Harsh rhetoric, but I want to say the American people have voted against their interest, and if political pressure was there change would be possible. I like that this issue is getting attention but I strongly question people calling for more murder and chaos.

You don’t need to be a good person to have a reason not to be killed.

Being a human being is already enough in most cases. His death does not change anything

I am honestly appreciate, that not everyone shares the same bloodlust people on lemmy have

I personally think even in this case a precious life is lost. I haven’t dug into the potential use of AI to deny claims which is highly unethical. I come more from an approach of utilitarianism: Every life/lifetime has some sort of potential joy and value to it. If for example a regime falls and a dictator causing a lot of loss of value (in this case life and quality of life) dies, the equation is a positive one if people get to live longer better lives. The dictator is the main reason for suffering.

In the case with the CEO he isn’t the main reason for suffering, rather the system is. He has to bear part of the responsibility but his death doesn’t have a positive outcome in our equations because the death changes nothing. He also isn’t fully responsible for the system which is the root problem of the health system.

I myself also believe generally murder is in nearly all cases wrong, and does while I am against the Genocide in Gaza I do think you’re at least partially talking about my group and generalizing it to make an obscene argument. Your example is actually perfect valid and if a person doesn’t care about genocide/death in gaza they can’t claim the moral high ground if they only value this kind of life. Its also distracting a bit from the main point of life and especially a life of good quality having value.

He isn’t except from the justice system last time I remember. He is also not personally and individual to blame for the sole responsibility of those deaths. Also a murder isn’t the same as a person dying of something else because that didn’t get treated.

I’m not a total corpo bootlicker no worries, but I believe this is just one more death this whole system claims and I despise the celebration of his death. I believe in the end this death changes nothing, like I said

One side follows rule of law, while the company and shareholders he is working from require him to maximize profits at the cost of the insured customers.

The other side caused mass destruction across europe, millions dead, millions displaced, left countries in ruins and starving, gassed millions of Jews and caused mass chaos.

If he was to excel the expectations of the people he worked for he was supposed to decline health treatments. If he started performing worse for the shareholders he would’ve been at fault in the eyes of the shareholders and thus replaced.

Hitler on the other way acted on his own accord. There were no democratic institutions above him or really any to hold him accountable. The healthcare system on the other hand can be changed in a democratic system and political pressure. A dictator like Hitler certainly not through peaceful protest, as those were answered with violence and suppression

The way its presented is as if everyone or even most people are like this. “often” might be true but it isn’t really an argument in that case if you mean it literally

Really easy to generalize a group like this. I’ve been opposing both the humanitarian crisis and genocide caused by Isreal as well as this cowardice murder of a CEO that changes nothing. I’m also against the medical insurance system in the US, I just think this action doesn’t do shit. It takes real energy to protest and mobilize people to make real change possible but that seems like too much for a bunch of people on here

Hard to compare some shot CEO to Hitler imho

You really think every person in real life goes ahead with supporting this murder just because you heard enough people online repeating this in this echo chamber?

Someone that has their own morals, and thinks killing is bad? Totally a bootlicker! For me its about principles. The death of this CEO changes nothing

Most humans and human work are inherently replaceable. Even great minds that have novel ideas. At some point someone else will come up with the same idea. Even US Presidents are. On a systematic level everyone is. I just wanted to highlight that the CEO, while head of operations of a company, is only lended this power and not really in charge. I think humans (not on a personal level) are inherently replaceable sadly but I don’t think any system changes this

Systematic (and alleged automated) denials of claims are highly immoral, unethical and possibly illegal thing to do. I just think this doesn’t solve the root problem and just adds one more death without fixing it. I don’t think this is both a sensible way as well as right way to fix this. Also, I don’t think you can just stamp each CEO as immoral automatically. General thinking for specific groups of people is frowned upon based on ethnicity, origin or gender, yet when we look at socioeconomic groups it suddenly becomes right? I think the freedom of movement should exist for even those in power and political//legal issues should be handled the right way. Peaceful protests and movements for a healthcare reform are the only right way long term to support this if you’re American and really care about the issue. Short term violence LARPing just causes polarization and makes the people fighting against this system seem crazy.

So it needs to be changed politically. If the people actually voted in their interest there would be no problem. If they vote against themselves they are at fault themselves. Thats how democracy works, even if its sad

Wish more people talked about reform than violence tbh. Thinking about leaving lemmy since associating myself with some people here makes me sick

The argument to ask who casts justice and decides the barrier is a legit one. You are using a strawman argument against him by saying they are in favor of allowing destruction of the lives of Americans happen. Such tactics are mostly used by populists and we do not need to stoop to such levels

The justice system should cast justice, and for that we need political pressure and reform. Self justice is not right in that way

The political system needs to change, killing CEOs will change nothing. They are just some random corpo people with a good work history and education that get paid well to act in the interest of shareholders. Nothing will change with this death. The US public just seems too ignorant about this massive issue. The US is a democracy and if the public actually pushed for strong healthcare reform and didn’t vote for someone who wants to cut healthcare benefits they could get improvement. All I see is radical violence LARPing that leads to nothing and some people acting all high and mighty acting self just which argue to kill like the top 1% and redistribute it and demonize them ignoring the fact that the masses aren’t behind them. This is lemmy, this is not real life! The chaos this causes just leads to more suffering without a solution. And a random guy who had the job of CEO died because he acted as he was supposed to in his job. Returning value for shareholders, since if he doesn’t he gets replaced with the next guy.