As much as I disagree with the comment you’re responding to, this is such a bullshit characterization of Hamas’ initial and grotesque slaughter of random Israeli civilians. That behavior is never justified.
Hamas soldiers committed a number of unforgiveable atrocities on October 7th. That said, the attack itself was against military targets for clear military and political goals, and until we get evidence to the contrary didn’t include orders to intentionally kill civilians. Again, not defending anyone who committed atrocities during or after the attack, but the idea that the 1200 were all mercilessly killed by Hamas is Israeli propaganda. 30% were IDF personnel, and out of the other 70% some died to reckless IDF fire (remember the helicopter that opened fire on the festival?), some died in the crossfire, and some were actually killed by the IDF to take out Hamas soldier who were taking them hostage.
That is to say, October 7th wasn’t simply grotesque slaughter of random Israeli civilians, and we don’t have evidence Hamas leadership gave any orders for that.
Yeah, I’m not going to disagree with the condemnation of the terrorist attack. That said, Israel has been, objectively, committing war crimes for decades now unpunished.
Two wrongs don’t make a right, not justifying just explaining, and all that.
Before Oct. all the apartheid collective punishment was absolutely war crimes, and I’d love to see Bibi and many Likud members at the ICC for their crimes. They can still argue that Gaza was an operational location for Hamas, but I think and hope they’d lose that argument.
But after October… Hamas officially made Gaza a theater of war and any target they co-locate in loses legal protections. And when I see 57% resident support for Hamas there (their elected governement), I steuggle and mostly feel awful for the 43% who don’t support them.
I am with you that two wrongs don’t make a right. Or in this region’s case, an endless cycle of thousands of years of violence don’t make a right.
But I also believe strongly that Israel has a right to defend itself. The current mess is Hamas’s design. I don’t know what people want Israel to do, take the terrorist attack that killed 1200+… just take it on the chin and go “oh well”? When any honest person knows no nation on earth would do that.
Take my upvote, a rare one on the worldnews group.
Fully agree Israel has a right to defend itself but what it seems to be doing now is more akin to invasive eradication than defense. They are on the offensive. Why does 1.2K dead in Israel justify 18K dead, hospitals targeted and destroyed, and a forced emigration of citizens in Gaza?
If a terrorist organization ruled the US I’m sure more than half the country would vote in support either out of blind nationalism or fear. Putin’s got >90% support, eh? I don’t think it’s fair to say any recent election in Gaza is unbiased. It would also seem not so unreasonable that to the people of Gaza, Hamas looks more friendly than Israel recently.
The main difference is the power dynamic. One of those groups has all of the power, including the backing of the US military, while the other is a reaction to oppression.
Only one of those two parties has the power to end all of this right now.
Yes, terrorism is one potential reaction/outcome of brutal occupation and oppression. There is a difference between explaining something and condoning it.
how dare the prisoners of a concentration camp strike back at their guards! for shame!
As much as I disagree with the comment you’re responding to, this is such a bullshit characterization of Hamas’ initial and grotesque slaughter of random Israeli civilians. That behavior is never justified.
So a distinction needs to be made here:
Hamas soldiers committed a number of unforgiveable atrocities on October 7th. That said, the attack itself was against military targets for clear military and political goals, and until we get evidence to the contrary didn’t include orders to intentionally kill civilians. Again, not defending anyone who committed atrocities during or after the attack, but the idea that the 1200 were all mercilessly killed by Hamas is Israeli propaganda. 30% were IDF personnel, and out of the other 70% some died to reckless IDF fire (remember the helicopter that opened fire on the festival?), some died in the crossfire, and some were actually killed by the IDF to take out Hamas soldier who were taking them hostage.
That is to say, October 7th wasn’t simply grotesque slaughter of random Israeli civilians, and we don’t have evidence Hamas leadership gave any orders for that.
Your apology for terrorists and war crimes of the elected government of Gaza says everything.
Yeah, I’m not going to disagree with the condemnation of the terrorist attack. That said, Israel has been, objectively, committing war crimes for decades now unpunished.
Two wrongs don’t make a right, not justifying just explaining, and all that.
Before Oct. all the apartheid collective punishment was absolutely war crimes, and I’d love to see Bibi and many Likud members at the ICC for their crimes. They can still argue that Gaza was an operational location for Hamas, but I think and hope they’d lose that argument.
But after October… Hamas officially made Gaza a theater of war and any target they co-locate in loses legal protections. And when I see 57% resident support for Hamas there (their elected governement), I steuggle and mostly feel awful for the 43% who don’t support them.
I am with you that two wrongs don’t make a right. Or in this region’s case, an endless cycle of thousands of years of violence don’t make a right.
But I also believe strongly that Israel has a right to defend itself. The current mess is Hamas’s design. I don’t know what people want Israel to do, take the terrorist attack that killed 1200+… just take it on the chin and go “oh well”? When any honest person knows no nation on earth would do that.
Take my upvote, a rare one on the worldnews group.
Fully agree Israel has a right to defend itself but what it seems to be doing now is more akin to invasive eradication than defense. They are on the offensive. Why does 1.2K dead in Israel justify 18K dead, hospitals targeted and destroyed, and a forced emigration of citizens in Gaza?
If a terrorist organization ruled the US I’m sure more than half the country would vote in support either out of blind nationalism or fear. Putin’s got >90% support, eh? I don’t think it’s fair to say any recent election in Gaza is unbiased. It would also seem not so unreasonable that to the people of Gaza, Hamas looks more friendly than Israel recently.
Because when Hamas co-locates out of them they lose protected status.
If Hamas looks friendly to you, I desperately urge you to research some history outside of your bubble. I’m floored.
If you replace every occurrence of hamas with nethanyahu your comments makes half sense
I don’t see a difference between Bibi and his partner Hamas. Never have. And I hate Likud.
The main difference is the power dynamic. One of those groups has all of the power, including the backing of the US military, while the other is a reaction to oppression.
Only one of those two parties has the power to end all of this right now.
Pompous know it nothing
Thanks for your personal attack! Have a great day.
If I could…
After reading past your first paragraph, I’m not sure I want it from you.
Hamas is a reaction to the mess, not its “designer.”
Said every apologist for terroism and terrorists.
Yes, terrorism is one potential reaction/outcome of brutal occupation and oppression. There is a difference between explaining something and condoning it.
your apology for terrorists and war crimes and settler colonialism and genocide by the elected government of Israel says everything
I don’t. I call for the prosecution of Bibi and many Likud members for their war crimes before October.
Would love to see them in the ICC.
You must have confused me with the Hamas fans and apologists in here who support terrorism and war crimes and justify and apologize for it endlessly.