• Joe Dyrt@lemmy.ca
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    3 days ago

    You’ve got to be kidding! No way Canada makes as much air pollution or solid waste as China, India, Africa, etc. We CAN do better but, the headline is BS.

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      3 days ago

      Per capita means it’s adjusted for the population. Both China and India are large polluters but they are the two most populated countries in the world.

      • Joe Dyrt@lemmy.ca
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        3 days ago

        Yes, we are small compared to them. But we are doing very well! This article is full of numbers without sources, making it an opinion piece.

        Here’s something I can agree with:: (translated by google)

        “ It is not only the limits of our planet that are exceeded, so is our economic model”, and

        “… the only way to curb the looting and deadly destruction of our resources by the most greedy among us is to impose severe and ambitious regulatory constraints on them”

        • leftytighty@slrpnk.net
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          I don’t think you’re getting it.

          If Canada has 10 people and 6 of them are heroin addicts, and China has 1000 people and 60 of them are heroin addicts, then even though China has 10 times as many addicts they’re doing a better job curbing addiction since only 6% rather than 60% of people are addicted.

          • Joe Dyrt@lemmy.ca
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            3 days ago

            I understand percentages. But in your example of addicts, it’s the number of people that counts in my book, not whether or percentage is lower. I also understand that more people, pollute more, absolutely. So to think that our small population needs to make a significant effort to reduce pollution , which is absolute, is a guilt reaction.

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                19 hours ago

                It is certainly one way to compare. But in terms of global change, absolute numbers must be considered. No matter hours many people there are, we all breathe the same air. With more people in the area, there’s more pollutants in the air, whether it’s per capita or not. So while it may be logical to compare per capita, it’s not really the practical reality.

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                  8 hours ago

                  Canada has low population density, poor public transit, a very fossil heavy economy, and it’s taking significantly slower and less drastic steps towards becoming green compared to Europe and China.

                  Instead of giving ourselves a pass by looking at it from the only statistical lens that obfuscates all of those things by dramatically over-weighing our low population, instead you should be demanding more.

                  Do you know what a ranking of countries by total emissions looks like? A ranking of countries by population, with some small reordering at certain indices. How is that useful for anything scientific?

                  I’m sorry but you’re just plain wrong.

                  By that same reasoning we can’t criticize billionaires for contributing 100s of times as much in carbon emissions as the average person because of their lifestyles.

                  Per capita analysis tells us which countries have poor transit infrastructure, harmful lifestyles, legacy fossil-based economies. Total emissions analysis tells us which countries are more populated. Cool.