To my mind, Ban has always meant permanent.
“You’re banned from this place! You’ll never be allowed in again!”

While I’ve always thought of Suspend as being temporary.
“You’re being suspended from school for 1 week, over fighting.”

Ban:

  1. to prohibit especially by legal means
  2. bar entry

Suspend:

  1. to debar temporarily especially from a privilege, office, or function
  2. a: to cause to stop temporarily
    b: to set aside or make temporarily inoperative
  3. to defer to a later time on specified conditions
  4. to hold in an undetermined or undecided state awaiting further information

When I hear someone mention they were banned my reaction is: “Holy shit! WTF did you do to earn that!” Then I find out it was only for a day or three: “Oh… That’s not a Ban! That’s minor. Go touch grass. You’ll be fine.”

I’ve been banned from subreddits and communities a few times. At least once I never even noticed because it was so short.

How is it a Ban if I didn’t even notice?

Why did Ban in online forums and games, come to mean temporary?

Is it simply an example of the intensification of language? To make something mundane, seem more severe than it is?

Does it bother anyone else? Or am I alone here?

  • Steve@communick.newsOPEnglish
    412·
    23 days ago

    It says nothing about time at all. It doesn’t say it’s limited in any way.

      • Steve@communick.newsOPEnglish
        37·
        23 days ago

        But why would you assume it’s not? Generally if something is temporary, it’s explicitly defined that way.
        Can you name another time limited condition or situation which doesn’t include that aspect in it’s definition?

        • missingno@fedia.io
          131·
          23 days ago

          Why would you assume anything at all? It also isn’t explicitly defined as permanent either.

          It isn’t explicitly defined as temporary because it doesn’t have to be temporary. It isn’t explicitly defined as permanent because it doesn’t have to be permanent. The word could be used in either situation.

          • Steve@communick.newsOPEnglish
            18·
            23 days ago

            Traditionally terms for temporary things include that aspect in their definition, like the definitions of Suspend I gave.
            By tradition of definition, permanent is implied unless otherwise defined.

            Can you give an example of a word for a temporary condition or situation, that isn’t explicitly defined as such?

            • missingno@fedia.io
              7·
              23 days ago

              Neither is implied unless otherwise defined. I’m saying that it isn’t necessarily temporary either. It’s not explicitly defined as temporary because it doesn’t have to be temporary.

              • Steve@communick.newsOPEnglish
                13·
                23 days ago

                Can you give an example of a word for a temporary condition or situation, that isn’t explicitly defined as such?

                • missingno@fedia.io
                  6·
                  23 days ago

                  ‘Ban’ isn’t just a word for a temporary condition. Just as it isn’t just a word for a permanent condition.

                  Can you give an example of a word that could be temporary or could be permanent, and the definition explicitly points both out?

                  • Steve@communick.newsOPEnglish
                    13·
                    23 days ago

                    That’s not my claim. It’s also a dodge to my question.

                    But it got me thinking.

                    Provisional: for the present time but likely to change
                    No specified ending date or condition, but also temporary. That may be the closest to what you’re looking for.

            • Maalus@lemmy.world
              6·
              23 days ago

              Ban isn’t a term for temporary things. It can be used for both. At which point a clarification needs to be provided “temporary” or “permanent” ban.

              Suspension isn’t the opposite of ban. Suspension is temporary.

              • Steve@communick.newsOPEnglish
                15·
                23 days ago

                Suspension isn’t the opposite of ban. Suspension is temporary.

                That’s exactly what I’m saying. People and places keep using the term Ban when it’s temporary, and Suspension the closer fit.

                • Maalus@lemmy.world
                  5·
                  23 days ago

                  Almost like you could use two different ways to describe the same situation. Ultimately it doesn’t matter that something is “more precise” - people will use what a lot of people use. Language is a tool for communication. Ban makes it immediately known what you are talking about - because it is widely used. Suspension - people need to have a short “think”. It also uses more syllables. As long as both people immediately know what you mean, you can use any word you want. That’s why pedants / language purists are entirely pointless. Language is fluid and it changes. A lot of people using something suddenly means a word gets new meanings. That’s why when you say “disinterested” meaning “impartial”, someone will tell you off for being “uninterested” or bored. Because dis- has been used to have the same meaning as a more popular word, un-.

                  • Steve@communick.newsOPEnglish
                    12·
                    23 days ago

                    Ban makes it immediately known what you are talking about - because it is widely used. Suspension - people need to have a short “think”.

                    I’m claiming the reverse. In fact I specifically said so in my original post.
                    A Suspension immediately means temporary. A Ban may or may not. You need to look further to find out.