• Admiral Patrick@dubvee.org
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      6 months ago

      I stand by my original statement. Once you abandon your core values and stoop to your enemy’s level, is there a difference anymore?

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        6 months ago

        Yeah, there is. Many lives are at stake. It’s a trolley problem. Shit’s ugly and you can’t wish it away.

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        6 months ago

        At some point you have to make a choice. Either grab a hose to help put out the fire and fix things or you stand on your high ground, praising yourself for how noble your intentions are as everything around you burns.

        High roading only works if your opponent has a conscience and can understand guilt. The side that is playing with matches and gasoline this whole time has shown very much that they do not have one.

        And to address your original point, yes there very much is a difference. One side is doing things for tye sake of hurt others or progressing a goal that is downright evil and tyrannical. Your doing it to protect the people they’re trying to hurt and to oppose their tyranny.

        Will it be clean? No… but anything worth fighting for has never been clean. The world isn’t just black and white. And the idea that stooping to anothers level makes you the same as them is about as binary as you can get. The world is filled with nuance and a whole range of colors that needs to be observed

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          6 months ago

          We have every right to defend ourselves with whatever means are necessary, but we do not strike first.

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            6 months ago

            Christ. You don’t even realize we’ve already been struck over and over. All the while inviting more.

            The only way we can get to a neutral position is tit for tat. We can try a generous tit for tat, but the degenerates won’t accept an olive branch.

            Shit isn’t as it seems to you.

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        Once you completely ignore the paradox of tolerance, you are already on an inevitable path to a fascist dictatorship.