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  • GOS will not become a phone. Relying proprietary hardware to achieve security of your own product is not optimal.

    If you want to install the Google store, you can. If you want to use f Droid, you can. If you want to install apps directly from GitHub from developers that you trust you can.

    I know what you mean but it sounds like you’re describing basically all of Android OS derivatives.

    I don’t see how realistically every requirement of GOS is really needed, given it is still very vulnerable to users’ unawareness, stupidity and other easy exploits. It’s like people advocating secure communication via Signal while participating in huge public groups. It’s like you’re building a house from the top - from the premise that the device is secure and therefore great for user. You prepare user for a rain and a storm, but the building will crumble due to an earthquake, or a fire started by the user. But what can you do? Earthquakes are inevitable and crush every other building, and users can’t be educated properly, right? That’s on top of relying on Google to provide materials and warranty for the house…


  • I’m not implying there are better ones. I mean that ways how “better” systems are being built, updated by developers, and how are they viewed by users, should make everyone question whether those are actually useful.

    GOS lets you decide what apps to trust

    But not what vendors to trust…

    GOS is EXTREMELY clear about who their product is for

    Clear… but apparently not loud enough because all I know is “for Google Pixel owners”.

    It’s not like I even want to use GOS. I want to use something that cares about me as a user, more than the default experience with limited and forced aspects. It just happens that most people say Pixel is the best phone overall for now, and I can’t ignore that.


  • My issue is that someone who say they do everything they can to harden your device and improve security, fail at simple things. Like blocking such traffic at the OS level for all untrusted apps, or allowing installing untrusted apps at all. It’s like they can’t decide who their product is for. And users thinking they are getting more protected just because they switched to another OS, as a result.

    Making security measures irrelevant is easy for police officers, for app makers, and for users too.




  • If you are in such a position, it’s only a matter of time for a friendly police officer to stop being friendly as soon as he sees any signs of your phone using encryption, or GrapheneOS, or being Pixel. You will get detained/interrogated/beaten/etc. and you will share all your secrets yourself. If they have those industrial devices and you allow them to take your property from you - an OS will most likely not help you.

    Instead of trusting OS to protect your data on your device from unauthorized users owning unknown toolset, it’s better to make sure you have no data they might want from you, on your device.