And you call me propagandized… No, people in jail aren’t disappeared because they lost their right to talk to the press. No, there is not a global network of secret police arresting Chinese people. No, China is not alone in blocking travel to their country for hate speech or other bigotry.

If you believe these things, and you seriously see no problem with them, you aren’t able to speak on politics. It’d be like discussing consent with a Mormon or physics with a flat earther… I mean seriously, a global network of secret police stations in other countries? Complete control of the speech of 1,400,000,000 humans?

This is as ridiculous as the ‘Jewish new world order’ stuff a lot of you people believe

So how long have you sided with the Nazis and fundamentalist Christians?

Because now you’re excusing their book burning.

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Ok Mr Shapiro.

By no definition of fascism is China fascist. Reread your Eco.

The government is the people. A fifth of the Chinese public are cpc members. It costs nothing to join, there are no requirements besides being a citizen and not being a convicted traitor. Anyone can join and start voting and participating.

And again, no, it’s not a different system. I get that you’re angry you’ll never own your home in the US, whereas 92% of Chinese adults over 21 own their own home, but that doesn’t change reality. The ‘lease’ is that your land is under the Chinese government, not the US government or Russians government, and thus subject to the laws in China and can be revoked if you use your land in a revolution against China.

Every single country on earth has this clause. Every single one. China assigns it per deed, rather than an overarching law, because of the autonomous districts that have different leases, like Tibet or Xinjiang.

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…the ‘lease’ is that you don’t own it independent of the government, as in despite owning the land you’re not your own country. You’ll find this in every country, except in China it’s spelled out. It has an expiration since, you know, China tends to reform itself over time. None have expired, and right now under current law none of them can expire, they are automatically renewed to the owner at the time of expiry, with the assumption the owner isn’t going to commit treason.

Like the ‘social credit score’ nonsense you people made up, it’s a gross misinterpretation of reality that you believe because you fundamentally believe Chinese people are different than you.

No, no they’re not.

Can you reply in some manner that’s close to the conversation we were having?

Using comparisons to make a point is not whataboubtism, Mr. Shapiro.

I’m sorry how long until Clinton 2028 is announced? Anyway xi has genuine party support, given, you know, his policy guidance has allowed China to surpass the us’ GDP while increasing the quality of life for citizens at all strata more than any other country in the same time period. That’s without bringing up his push for high speed rail, which has allowed more rail to be laid in the last 15 years than the EU and US have in total, combined. Or the green energy mandates which have out paced the entire rest of the world combined…

Successful leaders like xi tend to get reelected.

Sure, the kakistocracy of the US can be called an oppressive democracy since only the rich vote on legislation, but that’s different from the peoples parliament which allows anyone to join and have power.

…how do you think people get in power in China, given there are no familial dynasties like the US?

…given China is an open socialist democracy, no, no you can’t.

Anyone can run for office, anyone can get power.

No, no it’s not.

What in the massive misinformation clusterfuck is happening in your brain?

We, in fact, do own land. We just have an explicit contract with our government vs the implicit one people in the US have. Look into imminent domain seizures in the US.

You cannot be on the side of the people of China, and claim China has an oppressive government.

That only matters if the people with guns are the ones manning the mechanisms.

The one that raised the standard of living for more people, produces more green energy than the other, the one that has a worker lead democracy, the one that doesn’t pretend they have ever been the greatest country, the one that does exclusively produce countries with school shooters…