Is this really true?

Twilio is the biggest sms back end and it’s like $10 per number month or something.

Australia also, South West corner. Water is fine to drink, I just don’t like the taste. We collect rain water instead - heaps of that.

The bulk of reddit has already gone back to reddit.

Don’t get me wrong, lemmy is great just the way it is. We don’t need a continued influx from reddit (although lets see what happens on 1 July).

You’re right in a way, but I think you’re applying a narrow definition of “opinion” when I think most people ITT are thinking about “behaviours”.

Sure, it’s not great to exclude dissenting political opinions, the intolerance paradox being a notable exception. That said, I’m not here to discuss politics.

Say for example that some users will do anything for fake internet points - post anything, say anything, there behaviour is guided by the pursuit of karma and building some kind of following. Other users will do anything for engagement, whatever it takes to get others to engage with them including trolling. I’m happy enough for these types of users to find more rewarding platforms elsewhere. Note that’s different to excluding them, it’s just being a part of a place that isn’t fertile ground for their fixations.

This sounds fantastic to me.

It’s pretty much what happened on mastodon with the twitter-storm in November.

Huge influx of new users, about a third hung around - but it was the third who were the most like-minded.

I agree. If lemmy continues to grow, inevitably some servers will be shit, but I imagine there will be other non-federated or less-federated instances. beehaw has already started down that path.

Trolls are generally looking for maximum carnage, so I imagine there’s less incentive / reward posting somewhere like lemmy.

I’m genuinely asking and don’t mean this the way it sounds, but is this supposition or have you observed this yourself?

Everyone says their own instances aren’t very resource intensive. Even the larger instances like lemmy.world don’t seem to have huge specs.

Although there’s a lot of subscriptions there doesn’t seem to be an overwhelming amount of content being produced. The most active threads in /home have like 150 comments over 2 days? I don’t have the data and this really is mere supposition but it just doesn’t seem like that much load.

I did see they pushed a new version with some db optimisations so that’s probably an indicator that you’re right. Also things just feel unstable. Unusually long page load times or 500 errors just occasionally. Things definitely aren’t great I’m just not certain that db linkages are the problem.

Redditors in general just aren’t that into lemmy. Most redditors come here expecting to find a 1 for 1 replacement pre-warmed with millions of users and brimming with reddit culture.

Not having an algorithm to tell people what they want to see is a bigger impediment to attracting users than most people realise.

Additionally, I think mods are reluctant to direct users to any other community as they will give up lordship of their own fiefdom. Sorry, I acknowledge that I have probably an unfairly dim view of mods. I’m sure some are amazing, but certainly many are self-obsessed power trippers. They act in their own interests to preserve control rather than acting in the interest of the community.

The biggest problem I see is fragmentation, people are creating the same community in different instaces, /c/Piracy for example.

I agree, to an extent. You’re right in that if you were part of the vibrant community of /r/piracy then it’s miserable to see it shatter here on lemmy. That said, this only applies if you’re expecting lemmy to be a 1 for 1 reddit replacement. For this type of community to remain cohesive, /r/piracy would have had to spin up their own instance and in /r/piracy direct everyone to lemmy.piracyinstance.whatever.

You can’t really “fix” this in a central way because even if you did, it would be trivial to create an instance that would allow duplicate community names. Also, I can see a lot of use cases for lemmy which do not intend to be federated.

That said, it’s not necessarily as big a problem as it appears, if you just accept that this is how the fediverse works. There’s no single source of control, so of course people can create 147 different /c/piracy communities if they wish to. Once you accept that, then it’s not really that difficult to subscribe to all the /c/piracy communities you can find.

The problem itself could be diminished by a few new features which I feel certain will emerge in the future:

• linked communities, where one communities content is syndicated to another. So if you post in !selfhosted@lemmy.world then you also post in !selfhosted@lemmy.ml. This would work differently to cross-posting, all comments would be reflected on both instances.
• grouped communities, where you can subscribe to a group of /c/selfhosted communities with one click, so you see them all in your feed.

Everyone says that the loss of these 3rd party app users will destroy them, but I disagree. I don’t think that the quality of experience is as closely linked to profitability as most people think. Ad-Clicking viewers of cat gifs are blissfully unaware of the current fiasco.

2 things.

Firstly, most will go back. With the enshittification of twitter in November mastodon experienced an influx of new users. It feels like for several weeks activity doubled, then it died down to about 30% of the increase and stayed there. So while most go back it was still great for Mastodon. Fosstodon users increased from 10k to 60k in a month.

Secondly, it’s not a mutually exclusive binary thing. Reddit will always have some great niche communities. There’s nothing wrong with following those, but you can also continue to follow some lemmy communities too.

Lemmy doesn’t need to become a reddit killer over night. I think for the fediverse in general there will be a few events like this each year, and if the fediverse get’s some exposure and increases in size, it just makes it more viable for the next round.

Well yeah but in this case, won’t reddit just replace the mods ?

This is my take. Reddit has been on a trajectory towards enshittification for a long while. The API thing has created a focal point where a lot of people are passed off at the same time.

Yeah.

Invidious is pretty good in android Firefox like when you “add to homescreen”. The other browser add-ons won’t avoid the algorithm I think?

I use newpipe. I found libretube seemed to stop working more than newpipe but maybe time for another look!

100% agreed.

Like, cram android onto an underpowered SOC and it’s just incredibly frustrating to use.

You can still get chunky laptops, they’re just inconvenient to haul around.

Some alternative frontends resolve this. Invidious for example is a youtube front end. There are public instances. Most popular sites have them.

Thinking that there are different learning styles probably helps poor teachers develop better content though.

Not really. It’s incredibly frustrating and I’ve def lost some faith in humanity.

I thought /r/selfhosted would be ready to jump but everyone is like “but there’s no users on lemmy” and “you’ll split the community” and “we’re going to go dark for two days - that will teach them!”

Consequently there’s been no support for any single refuge.

Additionally people have set up several communities here with similar names in the past but now mods aren’t responding so it’s all a bit of a mess.

The reluctance of redditors to move to lemmy always amazes me.

Not surprisingly, there’s a lot of posts in a lot of subs about the recently announced changes. In every post the same pattern is repeated ad-nauseum:

• “i hate reddit, it sucks here, I’ve always wanted to leave, I’m never coming back once this happens”
• “maybe we should move the sub to lemmy so we won’t have this problem in future?”
• “but what about all our data, the wiki & post history and such”
• “but there’s no users on lemmy”
• “but that would split the community!”

This is the case even in the subs I would have thought would be really keen to jump ship, like /r/selfhosted

I think this type of approach is the right idea though, a better ecosystem can only be good.