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  • MEtrINeS@lemmy.dbzer0.comtoWorld News@lemmy.world•French state schools turn away dozens of girls wearing Muslim abaya dressEnglish
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    1 year ago

    Here we go again with the back pedalling and false equivalences.

    In the case of slavery, you cannot free a slave by prohibiting him from being a slave. He would just be under control of his master AND illegal.

    Making it illegal the authorities it will free all the slaves that the authorities know about. It won’t free them all immediatly, but it will free a considerable amount. Eventually with time, all (statistically) the slaves will be known and they’ll be free. If we are waiting for the master to change minds, slavery would still be legal and if you don’t know it, traditional slavery ended by guns, when the british forced the last slave traders (the arabs) to stop the practice in the 60s!!!

    That’s dumb.

    Yes, let’s allow slavery again. It was dumb to forbid it. /s

    That is why it seems dumb and dangerous to me to fight a religion when you should fight morals.

    Why not both? Shitty ideas need to be fought as well.

    So while it may be a correct replacement of true freedom in specific countries, it is still less than true liberty, and still a way of oppressing muslim people in france.

    Where is the discrimination when the rules are the same for everybody?

    But there are a lot of women who wear it by choice, and banning it is bad for them

    First, the ban is about girls (which is the people who attend schools), not adult women and it affects only the school premises. Why is it bad for them? It offends their sky daddy? Why is it bad to look like everybody else around? Why then don’t they use large clothes without the religious connotations? They can use xxxl cloths, hell, they can even use a potato sack.

    Egypt and France are also very different examples. In one, almost every girl is concerned by the forced hijab problem, while in France it’s only a minority.

    And because it’s a minority it should be ignored? The law exists to protect the most vunerable ones. It doesn’t matter if it’s 1000 or 1000000.

    When we allowed women to wear pants, we did not prohibit dresses and skirts. It should be the same here : true freedom is to choose, not to be forced in any way.

    Again a false equivalence. This is getting boring. Tell me, can you enter a church in a bikini? Can i enter a mosque with shoes? Can you enter a factory (the production line) with a skirt? The abaya isn’t prohibited from the society. They can use it outside schools.

  • MEtrINeS@lemmy.dbzer0.comtoWorld News@lemmy.world•French state schools turn away dozens of girls wearing Muslim abaya dressEnglish
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    1 year ago

    I strongly believe that it is dumb to think that you can free someone by prohibiting things

    If you want a free society you cannot allow everything. Tell me of a free society that hasn’t banned slavery. Or are you going to ask me how can it be free society if it’s members aren’t free to do everything? If you want a secular society you cannot allow religious attire in the government places.

    Btw, egypt just banned niqab from the schools. The french did it in 2010, and you are basically, parroting the same arguments then used. Even bin laden accused France of preventing “free women from wearing the burqa”. If we want progress someone needs to do it first and this is how we get social progress.

    I am against anyone who prohibits women to show their hair,

    No you are not. You endorse the behaviour by being permissible of it.

    You previously said: Muslims do not want to force women to dress in a certain way, it’s beyond religion.

    You seem to conveniently forget that islam is not just spiritual. You cannot dissociate the religion aspect from the culture and the politics, as i shown you with the egyptian president video.

    But this argument sounds illogical here

    This is just a way of forcing women to wear shit they don’t want. By fear: You put the blame on the victim and it passes the message that you need to wear it otherwise, who knows what it might happen to you.