The large amount of foreign nationals being exploited due to their illegal status and working in unsafe underpaid jobs is something I’m against from a pro labor position.

The employees who hire and exploit them need to be punished. Who will do this job for the tiny wages? I guess nobody, the wages must go up. More expensive avocados is what we need to settle for, instead of exploiting desperate foreign nationals. There are no easy painless solutions here.

Maybe I am naive in thinking ICE is going after the criminal element that exists in the illegal immigrant community.

I don’t get it

Why do you want to prevent ICE from deporting illegal immigrants?

Why do you want illegal immigrants to stay here so bad?

People use whatever bad faith arguments they want, it does not change facts.

Arab League countries have attack Israel many times with conventional war and covert terrorism. They also openly state they want Israel destroyed.

Israel has a massive military advantage over its surrounding neighbors. If Israel wanted the destruction of Jordan and Yemen, for example, just as much as Jordan and Yemen want the destruction of Israel… the IDF could wipe them out. But they don’t.

That combined with the fact that tens of thousands of Arab Muslims live and work in Tela Viv while no Jew can openly live in Jordan or Yemen tells you which side is trying to wipe someone out.

Yes, IDF is going way too far in Gaza now and they need to back off.

But they are in a very difficult situation due to being surrounded by fanatical enemies.

Hamas just rejected the 45 day ceasefire this past April

They also rejected the disarmament proposal in April

There is one on the table now mediated by the US which involves 60 day ceasefire, 10 hostages released and increased aid. Israel ageeed, waiting on Hamas now

1948 Firsr Arab Israeli war

1967 6 day war

1973 Yom Kippur War

And then tens of thousands of rockets fired into Israel

Oh and all the suicide bombings inside Israel

Afula bus bombing, Sbarro bombing, Passover massacre at Park Hotel, Hebrew University bombing, Ashdod Port, Mercaz massacre

They’ve been trying!

People in those regions (modern Jordan, Yemen, Syria, Egypt etc) have been killing and persecuting jews for a lot longer.

What the IDF is doing now is horrible and they need to stop. Hamas also needs to accept a cease fire and the entire Arab Muslim world needs to chill out from their “kill the jews” attitude they’ve had for like… hundreds of years

and all the countries surrounding it that have been determined to destroy it for the past 70 years

As a person who’s been in the MMA and BJJ world for a long time, yes the vast majority of men doing it are right of center.

And yes there is a growing portion that is far right.

It really sucks

I looked it up, thanks for letting me know about it

BTW I didn’t down vote your comment, I appreciate all sincere discussion

To me Plan Dalet sounds like a very logical preparation Israelis would enact for the obvious massive Arab attack on them.

Just a cursory knowledge of middle eastern history makes it obvious that Arabs would instantly attack any Jewish state near them. And they did, repeatedly.

I was not there, but from what I understand, mainstream historical accounts say Arab militias attacked first in '47

Then the Arab League attacked first in May '48

The Arab League voted against the UN proposal

The Arab counter attack?

During the first phase of that war, the Civil War from November 47 to May 14, 1948 it was Arab militias that attacked Jewish communities.

During the second phase of that war, it was the Arab League that invaded Israel on May 15, 1948

Imagine if the Arab states never invaded from the beginning and just were ok with Jews existing next door to them.

We know the Jews would have been ok with Arab Muslim states existing next to them as there are currently many Arab Muslims living and working in Tela Viv.

You are 100% correct that we as a society have a problem with this

That’s why the individual has to take extra care to eat right and excersise. Their doctor needs to emphasize this as much as possible.

VCan we fix out society? I don’t know, I sure hope so. But in the meantime people are responsible for their own health.