See the little men on the moon?

Well, they’ve been illegally fishing from internationally protected zones for decades so there’s that. The U.S. also had to cancel all of its contracts with China to recycle plastic because they either dumped it in the ocean or subcontracted with other Asian countries who dumped it in the ocean. You can determine whether or not that actually violates international law if you want, I would assume it does not. You can also be the judge on whether or not that should be against international law, if it is not. Plenty to take into consideration there, like how recycling plastic just produces more microplastic.

I’m just hoping China will see how arrogance is now destroying USA’s global dominance because they are alienating their allies.

China, the country not the place, is made of human beings. I don’t have much hope that they will escape that trap.

Thank you. I thought you were but I genuinely had to correct myself and think ‘But what if they’re not joking?’.

I’m tired.

The American attacks were the protests, that’s the point you’re not understanding or refusing to acknowledge. They were not organic protests. I doubt most that participated were citizens, especially when 99% of the coverage was prewritten by NED-linked organizations.

I’ve just been reading along this thread and I think this is the part I don’t understand.

Is the idea here that the protests were Americans? I’m not sure I understand what you mean by ‘The American attacks were the protests’.

Beyond that, if we accept strictly what Iran has released about the number of protestors killed it is still an incredible amount of violence for a two day period. The fact that the Iranian regime released the same number, 3117, for number of deaths on multiple different occasions regarding these protests is odd — it would indicate to me that the number is false and probably higher.

Simply trying to understand what your point is here — I don’t necessarily disagree with most of what you’ve said. Specifically I agree with you that if we’d just left Iran alone things would have turned out much differently and much more positively for them.

and have declared that they respect international law

Because it’s advantageous to do so currently. Let’s not willfully ignore their illegal fishing fleets that have been operating for decades, among other things (like the whole plastic recycling debacle).

They do not care about international law. They care about making you think they do.

What’s the frequency of physical exertion towards the level you described? The primary benefit of going to the gym is regular exertion above a certain level.

I don’t think you can point to any one root cause of racism.

In this age of misinformation I realize I can no longer determine if something is a joke.

You’re essentially asking them to accelerate towards a stop instead of temporarily incoveniencing you.

Pro tip: 3 seconds in between you and the car in front of you. That way this won’t ever inconvenience you again.

Yeah that just seems incorrect — have you driven a Tesla? Because they absolutely have the feature I’m talking about.

TL;DR; trying to suggest Rorschach is not a bad guy but a complex character when he hand waves rape, victims blames rape victims and the victims of hate crimes (contextually a lesbian woman), refers to women as whores, is a fascist and really only manages to do a single heroic thing in his entire worthless existence is ridiculous. Next you’ll try to tell me Trump is a hebephile.

Great, great.

So let’s list off some things that I’ve dredged up about Rorschach, not from memory mind you — I simply started looking up what good things and what bad things Rorschach has done.

Let’s start with the bad:

As an 11 year old he writes about idolizing Harry Truman for dropping the nukes on Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

He’s an avid reader of ‘The New Frontiersman’ which is revealed to be a far-right conspiracy theory and racism peddler. These are the people he leaves his journal with.

He refers to the first Silk Spectres rape as a ‘moral lapse’ by the Comedian, and I’m pretty sure it’s implied he blames her for her assault. Not only that, he likely said this because he idolizes the Comedian.

He refers to the victim of a hate crime as a ‘victim of her indecent lifestyle’ — the dude is fucking homophobic.

Killed a bunch of dogs for being fed the remains of a little girl. Fucked up, very fucked up circumstance but the fact remains — revenge on the man is one thing, revenge on the dogs is another. I don’t think they killed the little girl.

He’s a misogynist. He frequently refers to certain women as whores.

Let’s move to the good:

He punishes his idea of ‘evil’ which leads to him taking out rapists, murderers and other criminals. He likely didn’t know about the Comedians crimes, yet he definitely just doesn’t give a shit considering what I’ve already established.

He decides not to confiscate Moloch’s medication.

He decides to heroically kill himself. The single heroic thing he achieves in the story.

I cannot find more examples of him being good, and it’s hard to say ‘being heroic’ is good in this context.

So, are good guys homophobic? Are good guys misogynistic? Do they victim blame victims of rape or hate crimes? Would a good guy violently kill a bunch of dogs for being victims of their owner’s crime? Can you be a good guy and be on the far right? Do good guys handwave rape for their idols?

I’m not arguing whether he’s a good or bad character in regards to the role he plays in the full story. If the conversation were about that then you may have some footing. The question is ‘Was Rorschach a good guy or a bad guy’. He was absolutely a bad guy, despite being the protagonist and the closest thing to a ‘hero’ the story has.

Let me know when you actually read Watchmen, by the way.

One thing to keep in mind is a feature of EVs is automatic braking when you take your foot off the gas. Mine has different settings on how hard you want it to brake. I think the idea is that it’s safer for something like an accident (which it is) and you gain some energy back into your battery.

I think that might be what you’re experiencing here.

Mmk, good luck telling your kids or the kids in your life the story about the Big Effective Wolf.

My position has always been that Moore wrote him as a bad example.

I think a better way to criticize media is instead of thinking characters as good or evil, ask, “are they effective?”, and in this sense, I consider Rorschach to be an effective character. They aren’t there to be good or evil, they’re there to be a reflective surface for the world they find themselves in, and in this way they are an effective character.

In order to be critical of art you actually need to be aware of the motivations behind why something was created. Like we’ve established, you are free to apply your own meaning to it. However, and yes I am using a reductionist argument to illustrate my point, saying that you should call the Big Bad Wolf the Big Effective Wolf is… silly. It would be like saying we shouldn’t call Sauron bad, he’s simply ‘effective’.

In a story where characters are actually gray, I would agree with your assessment that we shouldn’t use terms like good or bad. This is literally a story trying to challenge our preconceived notions of ‘good’ and ‘bad’ — you simply cannot escape the terms when they are so essential to the point of the story. The point being that all of them are bad, especially the ones who don’t think they are (Rorschach).

But have you seen Hobo with a Shotgun?

Yeah I’ll be honest, my routine is similar — but I also know I’ve seen my girlfriend put her makeup on the night before, touch it up in the morning and go.

She also has very clear skin, it’s bullshit.

My man, I need you to recognize — your remix of the comic in and of itself is reductionist. You choose non sequential comments to portray some kind of meta commentary on something you don’t even seem to fully understand.

Let me be clear. You are allowed to attribute whatever meaning you want to whatever story or art medium you want. That is, ultimately, the goal of any artist — to evoke something in you.

When the artist themselves attributes a word like ‘good’ or ‘bad’ to the description of their character, to the very essence behind their creation — you are not allowed to simply say that they are wrong.

You are free to create your own art where the rules are different from theirs. Where there is no truly good or bad individual, just varying shades of gray. However you look like a DBZ power scaler when you attribute complexity to a character where there is none. I’m serious, no one looks dumber than the people spending way more time than they should arguing about things that the creator is likely to just fucking forget (rip Toriyama, ILY).

Rorschach is meant to be a bad example. You are not meant to want to be like him. Alan Moore thinks you’re a sweaty nerd and that you should stay away from him if you admire Rorschach (I’m paraphrasing but that is more or less his statement on the matter). Media literacy should lead you to answer the question of ‘Is Rorschach good or bad?’ with neither (thus explaining a more nuanced perspective that is just headcanon) or no.

‘Nice argument, but I’ve already depicted you as the soyjak and myself as the chad.’ energy.

At least I can confirm my tag, saves me from needing to interact with you.

Could be leftover makeup from the night before, perhaps.