This is why it is such a shame that all the major auto manufacturers could not be bothered to produce a decent cheap EV. They have repairability figured out from the start. They already have dealers, parts, crash safety, etc all worked out.

I am glad you admit to at least one basic fact. I don’t like how they market to privacy when they do shit like store your credit card meta data on their server.

Other companies have solved this privacy problem but yet this supposed privacy company can’t seem to figure out. I personally believe that because of their marketing they have created quite the honeypot for illicit actors. They know this and they are a little too eager to give up information because of it.

They receive ten of thousands of requests for information every year and this keeps increasing dramatically. They have already transitioned from famous to infamous for the amount of times they have failed their users.

Everytime the excuse is the same. It is the end users fault for not buying our VPN or some other bullshit. The are shitty and you seem to tow the company line like a good little shill.

As I said before, I still believe you might be operating an elaborate parody account. I really can’t believe people are this hard core, it reminds of those defenders of Microsoft or Telsa in years prior.

Security theatre is just that. Proton is just cashing in on the concept of security when they are aware that their own practices along with the industry at large prevents it.

https://cambridgeanalytica.org/news/protonmail-s-logging-trap-how-privacy-theater-enables-the-post-cambridge-analytica-surveillance-state-50339/

You want to throw money at them to ignore the actual problem at hand, go ahead. Pretending they actually offer security is a lie. It is a marketing lie. Security is not achieved by giving your hard earned money to a corporation and frankly you should be ashamed for suggesting it.

Your deny that Proton uses privacy as a selling feature and you want me to prove it does otherwise I am yapping? Do you know how impossibly dumb you sound.

My point that I think they have shitty marketing practices? You have not even addressed this nor moved the needle in how I see their shitty business practices. My argument is not what you are addressing at all. That is okay, like I said you act like a parody. It is actually funny to see how hard you pander for a corporation. You must REALLY like Proton, lol.

Omg you do act like a Protard. I don’t need to provide evidence that Proton sells its service off the concept of privacy, something every company operating in their nation does by law. As I alluded to, you can’t even accept basic facts.

You don’t get marketing and how corporations work. I swear you give off some of the biggest bootlicking vibes I have ever seen. It is almost comical like you are a parody account. If so, thanks for the laugh.

I love how your only comparison is with big companies rather than small email providers or self hosting. You must live in a sad world to have so few options. I guess you better throw some money at Proton for “security”.

Then when I pointed out they needlessly store your meta data credit information you could give a shit. That is how I know you are not a privacy respecting person and just acting like a corporate hack.

You have failed to disprove my points in any meaningful way. You ignored evidence that Proton has poor privacy practices because you like to carry water for them I guess. I really don’t know. But pretending people don’t have legitimate reasons to dislike the company is pretty ignorant.

Proof of what? That they are a profit based company that engages in security theatre marketing to sell their service. This is self evident. I find Protards especially suspicious when they can’t accept this basic fact.

Every single email provider from Switzerland has to follow the law. Pretending their service has something over other services when they just follow the law is kind of ridiculous. This is marketing and it sucks.

Companies sell images and Proton, being a major corporation, is no different. People think throwing money is going to solve their problem and Proton is happy to stroke this feeling to make profit.

For me, I liken it to advertising your company is bonded. In California they have recognized that this is a deceptive marketing practice and made it illegal for businesses to do it. If Proton just advertised we follow swiss law like every email provider in this country it would be accurate. Instead they create security theatre to attract users.

A great example of this is their recent credit card scandal where it was revealed that they they store meta data on transactions needlessly. They claim privacy, but yet they store your private information on their servers. They don’t disclose this actively and it is a serious violation of privacy.

https://discuss.privacyguides.net/t/proton-doesnt-really-support-anonymous-payments-lets-demand-that-they-do/37094

Proton’s answer is always the same lame garbage along the lines that anonymity is not privacy and then they try to explain how you can protect yourself. The truth is their service does not respect privacy in some regards. You point out their technology is pretty solid. Sure, but that is not my issue with them.

My issue is they pretend to be all about privacy, but then they store your personal information and it is YOUR fault. Like the end user is supposed to magically know they do this and somehow protect themselves when the problem is with Proton itself.

Closest allies can’t be friends because king shits his pants said so. You can’t make this level of stupidity up.

I really appreciate how they raised close to a billion people out of extreme poverty giving them access to clean water and electricity. It was a tremendous achievement.

I can definitely see the good and the bad.

We are already beyond countries, maybe someday you will catch up.

It’s not a conspiracy, Proton is a shit company. But, by all means give them your money for security theatre.

Buy the platforms open source projects use and…Wait a minute, MS already did this.

With the advent of AI open source is no longer a threat. Now it is just training data.

We put two men in a ring and let them beat each other up. We did it America! We won!

Now go pack your things up as we are done here. This is what true success is. Congratulations.

All signs seem to indicate it is challenging to find a lawyer on contingency for this area of law. I don’t want to doubt you, but I have a nagging suspicion you are not guaranteed to find a lawyer under these circumstances.

If you can find a lawyer willing to work on contingency that is great. I have not had much luck finding these type of lawyers unless it is personal injury related.

Oh damn, does the realization that there are 300 million rural migrant laborers who don’t get access to the money or healthcare like the privileged urban population does make you angry?

Just kidding, you don’t give a fuck about them.

Man you pro-chinese losers are weird and misinformed.

No citation needed, it is common knowledge how many people died not only from their violent revolution but also policies that led to the great famine. To think all those people died fighting “fascists” just to turn around and embrace fascism is a very sad story.

China is the fourth largest producer of arms. They are actively selling weapons to war torn nations. You are clearly carrying water here.

The US is by far the most destructive nation in the history of the world. No debate from me here.

Oh so they are proud their government murdered a bunch of citizens and then killed millions more through bad policies and they openly talk about this in their schools and personal life?

I am being facetious so don’t bother answering.

Currently China is pumping out more billionaires than the US, they are also openly selling arms to war torn countries. They are imperialist through and through.

What part of China is better? Because peasants probably aren’t happy with billionaires polluting their environment and the two-tired society they have developed.

You are clearly not objective.

I lived on the border of Utah and I can confirm it was extremely bad. One of the restaurants wanted to serve wine and they went before the city council to plead their case and the amount of backlash they got was insane.

Every official, policeman, lawyer, judge, etc are all Mormons. When CPS shows up to investigate you can see their Mormon underwear peeking through their clothes. If you guessed that non-Mormons were way more likely to get their kids removed you would be right.

It is very corrupt and very unwelcoming to non-members. For instance, my children were not allowed to play with the Mormon children.

I lived in rural Idaho during the Obama years. The amount of times I had to listen to grown ass men fantasize about shooting or lynching the President was insane. Constant racist and derogatory statements.

My grade school girls reported the boys on their bus would also talk about racist things all the time including killing Obama. The kid that won the Kiwanis award at school made a joke about not being black and the whole school assembly laughed.

But as soon as their mango god king took power, just like Bush before him, it was suddenly disloyal to talk shit. Hell, you would lose your job for it and probably get a visit by the secret service.

Just sue them. I am sure everyone has months of time and tens of thousand of dollars to sue.