I mean sure it has a shared history

Wait, you serious?

I think you were projecting with that “you’re insane” comment.

I have no idea what you’re trying to say this time. Maybe have a lie down?

Well according to the doc that’s not a concern unless the same force is applied again.

Learning’s hard, eh?

though they need to be in a sling.

Not true, my son got nurse maid’s elbow. He was crying almost non-stop for 5 hours between it happening to the doctor walking into the doctor’s room. The instant the doctor manipulated his arm he stopped crying and it was like nothing happened.

Yup, that’s called nurse maid’s elbow. It’s incredibly common. It’s almost always caused by a kid trying to yank themselves away. And it happens because at that young the tendons aren’t strong enough to hold that amount of weight/tension.

Instead I do a lot of yelling / stern vocalizations to keep kids away from areas they shouldn’t be.

It’s a natural instinct to convey urgency of danger. It works for adults but it can be damaging to kids.

The truth is that in a life or death situation, you do whatever you need to do to keep kids safe.

My vote is that you’re lying about being a parent. But if you are a parent, then you’re letting social pressures and some very strange and warped perception of things limit what you do as a parent to protect your kids.

I won’t outright say that it makes you a “bad” parent, but I personally cannot fathom not taking every step I can to protect my child. And no, a leash doesn’t limit their development. It factually promotes it on the very basis that it allows them to be more active in walking around and exploring in situations where it would be unthinkable to let a child walk around (heights, dangerous areas, on a boat, large dense crowds, etc.).

Being stuck in a stroller 99% of the time is awful for kids that want to run around and explore. Some parents don’t have the physical strength or ability to carry a kid all the time.

Twins or even triplets that are very active and wild are a perfect example. You will never contain two very wild toddlers by just “watching them”. And if you try, you are a bad parent.

Ultimately you choose a very dumb him to die on. You are wrong.

Good on your mom! And glad you were safe!

children are people

Very good! I’d give you a sticker, but I don’t know where you live.

insulating them from small forms of possible harm doesn’t help their development.

And a leash doesn’t do that. Being a hover parent does.

if you pick a reasonable place for your child to play there’s no need for a fucking leash 99% of the time.

What? Is that how you people think using a leash works? You think a leash is put on the child in the morning and isn’t taken off until the end of the day? Are you for real with that? Forget it, you don’t get a sticker for saying the dumbest thing I’ve heard today. And I’ve already watched a video about a flat earther.

I find it very interesting that you have absolutely equated a leash with a pet and with degradation.

I have a cat, he’s not on a leash. Is he my child now? Or does that just mean he’s *not" my pet?

dogs are on a leash mostly for safety reasons for others.

That’s not entirely true. For example, dogs don’t understand traffic and that running across a street is dangerous (well, most dogs. Some dogs are just very smart). Keeping them on a leash minimizes the chance that it darts across the street because it sees something it wants to get. The owner put the dog on a leash because they understand that doing so will keep the dog safe from injury. The owner recognizes that the dog doesn’t understand the dangers involved.

An infant also doesn’t understand (can’t understand) the dangers. Putting them on a leash protects them from that danger. But it also helps the child develop independence, helps them exercise, helps them learn to walk better, helps their mental development from being able to explore and interact with the world.

Compared to just being carried or stuck in a stroller, which is ultimately boring and doesn’t help at all with the motor skills, and is far less impactful with mental development as they can only observe and not interact with.

This is mostly copied from my reply to another comment:

Parents get tired. In fact, most parents have chronic levels of sleep deprivation which impairs things like concentration, reflexes, ability to pay attention, etc. Then you have parents who might be working multiple jobs, be dealing with health issues that affect sleep, etc. A leash would make that job to keep kids safe much easier.

No leash equals a non-abusive, even though not every situation can allow a parent to keep 100% focus on the child, but using a leash the parent suddenly becomes abusive?

Should a parent not give the kid a helmet when learning to ride a bike then also? Does using a helmet mean the parent is abusive?

I just don’t understand this. I cannot fathom that someone would criticize a thing that objectively and provably make life in the world safer for children. It’s just another tool to help kids get to grow up.

There are countless stories of children just walking away in the 3 to 5 seconds a parent looks away where the child falls off a height, falls into water (not every parent can swim, and not all waters are swimable), gets picked up by a stranger in a crowd, etc. Situations that a leash would 100% have saved the child’s life.

And when these people are confronted on why it’s abusive or “embarrassing for the child”, they don’t have an answer.

They might say something out of left field like “children aren’t dogs!”, to which I say “yes, you’re right. Children aren’t dogs. Very good! Now about the leash, why is it abusive?”

I’ve met too many people like this.

Your kid is having an issue with something? “Well my kids never did that!” But said in a snide way that implies you’re doing something wrong.

Again, it’s humiliating for children

A two year old doesn’t get embarrassed.

as parent it’s you fucking job to Look after your offspring.

Parents get tired. In fact, most parents have chronic levels of sleep deprivation which impairs things like concentration, reflexes, ability to pay attention, etc. Then you have parents who might be working multiple jobs, be dealing with health issues that affect sleep, etc. A leash would make that job to keep kids safe much easier.

And I’m not sure how it works in your mind. No leash equals the parent keeping the kid safe, even though not every situation can allow a parent to keep 100% focus on the child, but using a leash the parent suddenly isn’t paying attention?

How do you think that works?

Should a parent not give the kid a helmet when learning to ride a bike then also? Does using a helmet mean the parent isn’t keeping the kid safe?

I’d like to know your thoughts on not utilizing safety equipment with children. I’m very curious.

A leash will not Help you, when you are on the phone and the children runs into danger.

Do you… do you not understand how a leash works?

Edit: grammar

Edit 2: Ok, I just don’t understand this. I cannot fathom that someone would criticize a thing that objectively and provably make life in the world safer for children. All on the simple objection that it’s “embarrassing” for a person at an age that doesn’t get embarrassed.

There are countless stories of children just walking away in the 3 to 5 seconds a parent looks away where the child falls off a height, falls into water (not every parent can swim, and not all waters are swimable), gets picked up by a stranger in a crowd, etc. Situations that a leash would 100% have saved the child’s life.

Think about that, you’re criticising and telling people to NOT use something that saves children’s lives, but not using it doesn’t save lives.

You are berating parents and potential parents from using something that might one day save the life of their child.

What the hell is wrong with you?

but If you are putting children on a leash, you are mostly seen as a bad parent and probably you are.

100% you aren’t a parent.

I’ve never put a leash on my kid because I didn’t frequent extremely busy crowds. But leashes are great for kids. It gives them the feeling of self autonomy to explore, while keeping them safe.

Anyone who says they’re bad has never experienced turning your back for 0.68 seconds and then realizing your kid is already gone off somewhere. They are fast.

Can you make something that works? Of course! Will it work as reliably as something made using better processes? Usually not.

Are you mad?!? My wife might read this!!

So the guys on the street that scam tourists are high profile scammers?

The word “theory” is misused here. It should be “hypothesis”.

A scientific theory is something that’s well established, has a working understanding, and is verified through multiple experiments.

is still clunky compared to others.

Wut?

This isn’t even a joke. And I think this might actually happen at some point.