I think its democratic due to its democratic processes, not due to the absence of neoliberalism

Apart from their continued trade with Israel, the politics of China also brings me hope. One of the only actually democratic countries, and it has an actually competent government.

China

Then you should fit right in

Not at all pedantic, you’re just throwing words out there man. Why is it so hard for you to say “whoops I was wrong”?

Both can have radically different forms and definitions, throughout history and between people

Not really. Redditors like you like to insist that your personal understanding of a concept is as valid as any other, even though that is not and has never been how communication works. You are free to believe any word means any thing, but you’re going to have a hard time engaging in any gainful discussion with anyone when you gotta argue over the meaning of every word first - Especially when you are too prideful to acknowledge that your understanding of a term might be lacking and your definition is incorrect.

Mamdani is opening government-run grocery stores. That’s socialism - wouldn’t you agree?

“Socialism is when the government does stuff and the more stuff it does the socialister it is, and if it does a whole lotta stuff, then its communism”

Dude socialism isn’t defined by “does the government do social programmes?” it’s a social relation to the means of production and governance of state. Denmark has free university education (for a little while longer, its getting cut every year) but that is not socialism. China has billionaires, but that does not mean it is not a socialist state. That is because ideology is not determined by the presence of social programmes.

umm don’t you know other countries don’t use dollars?? they have their own currencies! Stupid american, doesn’t even know other money exists. next you’ll probably say something like sweden isn’t socialism

Just go look at the modlog

Read the articles you shared you immense oaf

Damn I seem to have triggered all the Chinese fanboys with this

Me when I say something wrong and people try to educate me: lol trigurd tha libruls

They literally define themselves as a dictatorship of the proletariat, idk what to tell y’all

Holy shit lmao, this might be the funniest thing a halfwit like you could write. What a massive tell. I could not imagine ever showing my ass like this, that might be the dumbest thing Ive ever seen. I can’t even think of an analogy that would help you understand how fucking stupid the thing you wrote is. Please do some basic reading on marxism before you open your mouth on the subject next time. By your own logic literally every country is a dictatorship https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/dictatorship_of_the_bourgeoisie

Sorry, I like to look at empirical evidence instead of random anecdotes shat out online. Empirically:

• The Chinese government has one of the highest approval ratings worldwide
• The Chinese people have immense trust in their democracy
• The CPC has overseen massive improvements in QoL, life expectancy, literacy, and basically all measures of development
• The CPC has overseen the uplifting of hundreds of millions out of poverty

Of course you will never engage with these facts because they conflict with the propaganda that has indoctrinated you from birth. You will never read a book or jump through hoops to do any research on your own, you will instead gladly believe every tale told to you about the horrible orient. You are no better than a nazi who fervently bays for another holocaust.

Oh no did somebody take away your egg monopoly?

Only one of those two countries has concentration camps, and it aint china

shudders Yeah, I do. Propaganda was so all-encompassing that they bragged about doing the coup d’etat of the USSR

You’re just making shit up now. Well, you were before as well, but you’re also doing it now.

China and Vietnam are both democracies. Even if they did not have elections, which they do, they would not be dictatorships, since power is not consolidated with one individual. The executive in China is in fact far less powerful than the executive in the US, for example. I don’t know much about the political institutions of the rest of SEA, but I doubt you do either.

I would love to live in China. Would be nice to experience competent governance and institutions that actually exist to serve the people.

Lmao what a dumbass statement.

1. East Germany was not communist, there has never been a nation even claiming to be communist. East Germany was socialist
2. Among the people who lived in the GDR there is general agreement life was better back then
3. You have plenty of examples of succesful socialist nations, like China, Cuba, Vietnam and more
4. East Germanys downfall came with the Union of the two nations when capitalists made up a bunch of non-existent debt in order to buy state infrastructure for cheap
5. Read “Stasi state or socialist paradise” instead of hallucinating more half-remembered propaganda from your childhood indoctrination.

In what way is China “fascist”?

It won’t, you haven’t been banned yet. What gets you banned is either acting like an asshole or doubling down on spreading misinformation when corrected

No it seems like a pretty fair question and one you failed to answer

During the cold war, the anticommunist ideological framework could transform any data about existing communist societies into hostile evidence. If the Soviets refused to negotiate a point, they were intransigent and belligerent; if they appeared willing to make concessions, this was but a skillful ploy to put us off our guard. By opposing arms limitations, they would have demonstrated their aggressive intent; but when in fact they supported most armament treaties, it was because they were mendacious and manipulative. If the churches in the USSR were empty, this demonstrated that religion was suppressed; but if the churches were full, this meant the people were rejecting the regime’s atheistic ideology. If the workers went on strike (as happened on infrequent occasions), this was evidence of their alienation from the collectivist system; if they didn’t go on strike, this was because they were intimidated and lacked freedom. A scarcity of consumer goods demonstrated the failure of the economic system; an improvement in consumer supplies meant only that the leaders were attempting to placate a restive population and so maintain a firmer hold over them.

If communists in the United States played an important role struggling for the rights of workers, the poor, African-Americans, women, and others, this was only their guileful way of gathering support among disfranchised groups and gaining power for themselves. How one gained power by fighting for the rights of powerless groups was never explained. What we are dealing with is a nonfalsifiable orthodoxy, so assiduously marketed by the ruling interests that it affected people across the entire political spectrum.

• Michael Parenti (RIP)