Correct me if I’m wrong. I read ActivityPub standards and dug a little into lemmy sources to understand how federation works. And I’m a bit disappointed. Every server just has a cache and the ability to fetch something from another known server. So if you start your own instance, there is no profit for the whole network until you have a significant piece of auditory (e.g. private instances or servers with no users). Are there any “balancers” to utilize these empty instances? Should we promote (or create in the first place) a way how to passively help lemmy with such fast growth?

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    Every server just has a cache … there is no profit for the whole network …

    I wouldn’t say that caching is no profit. Yesterday there were several times when lemmy.ml was struggling or effectively down for some people, but despite complaints over there I could read lemmy.ml communities just fine through my instance. Caching meant that I was isolated from the service interruption, and the lemmy.ml server was isolated from my contribution to its load.

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      Well, lemmy.ml still needs to serve you the content the first time in order to cache it. And since you’re the only person in your instance, you’re the only person benefiting from that cache. So you’re still exerting at least the same load as if you were browsing lemmy.ml directly.

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      this is an interesting concept - is Lemmy.blahaj.zone your personal instance, closed to registration from the public? I can totally see the draw in doing this and self hosting my own, then I don’t need to worry about performance of someone else’s instances

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        I wish, but lemmy.blahaj.zone is not mine, just one of the larger medium-sized instances that have been around for a while. But some people do do as you describe.

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      As I said, there is no profit from empty instances. Of course, the federation itself is good and fail-proof in this way. But if nobody asks for this cache, it’s just an Internet Archive of a sort.

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        I see—you’re talking about instances with no users? Yes, those don’t help much. Maybe edit the typo “a significant piece of auditory” in the original post, since I guessed that you were talking about instances with users but no communities.

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          Yeah, it’s nothing about communities. Technically speaking, only the amount of direct HTTP requests matters. If nobody opens your domain, your instance is just spending your money for nothing.

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        It only takes one user for an instance to not be empty. Every bit of decentralisation adds resilience to the whole. But more decentralisation adds more resilience, so let’s try to spread out the communities and users.