Comments are heavily focused on the title of the article and the opening paragraphs. I’m more interested in peoples’ takes on the second half of the article, that highlights how the goals companies are touting are at odds with the most likely consequences of this trend.
They’re probably going to completely (and intentionally) collapse the labor market. This has never happened before, so there is no historical prescedent to look at. The closest thing we have was the industrial revolution, but even that was less disruptive because it also created a lot of new factory jobs. This doesn’t.
The public hope is that this catastrophic widening of the gap between the rich and poor will force labor to organize and take some of the gains through legislation as an altenative to starving in the streets. Given that the technology will also make coercing people to work mostly pointless, there may not be as much pressure against it as there historically has been. Altman seems to be publically thinking in this direction, given the early basic income research and the profit cap for OAI. I can’t pretend to know his private thoughts, but most people with any shred of empathy would be pushing for that in his shoes.
Of course, if this fails, we could also be headed for a permanent, robotically-enforced nightmare dystopia, which is a genuine concern. There doesn’t seem to be much middle-ground, and the train has no brakes.
The IP theft angle from the end of the article seems like a pointless distraction though. All human knowledge and innovation is based on what came before, whether AI is involved or not. By all accounts, the remixing process it applies is both mechanically and functionally similar to the remixing process that a new generation of artists applies to its forebears, and I’ve not seen any evidence that they are fundamentally different enough to qualify as theft, except in the normal Picasso sense.
…but most people with any shred of empathy would be pushing for that in his shoes.
Empathy? In late-stage capitalism? 😏
I mean, so… I’m a software engineer who used to specialize in automation. I ended up having a crisis of conscience decades back, realizing that I was putting people out of work. “Hey, good job on that project, our client can afford to let 30 people go now!” never really felt like great praise to me. It actually felt really really shitty knowing the work I was doing was making it possible for the “nobility” to further gain back control of the “serfs”.
I figured that the only way this could ever benefit society as a whole instead of shareholders and owners would be if we moved more to a society with things like UBI, with perhaps the people who end up getting something extra being the ones who actually DO the dirty jobs and provide actual worth to society, instead of becoming obscenely wealthy at the expense of empathy and good human spirit. Unfortunately, at least here in the states, anything that smacks of “socialism” automatically equals dictatorship (glossing over that capitalism offers just as many examples of being abused by the “ruling” class). So there’s the whole zeitgeist to battle against before the comfortable and less-informed majority will even listen to anything that’s in their best interest.
As you say, interesting times indeed. I’m not hopeful that we’ll see that sort of shift in my lifetime however, sigh…
Comments are heavily focused on the title of the article and the opening paragraphs. I’m more interested in peoples’ takes on the second half of the article, that highlights how the goals companies are touting are at odds with the most likely consequences of this trend.
I see both sides.
They’re probably going to completely (and intentionally) collapse the labor market. This has never happened before, so there is no historical prescedent to look at. The closest thing we have was the industrial revolution, but even that was less disruptive because it also created a lot of new factory jobs. This doesn’t.
The public hope is that this catastrophic widening of the gap between the rich and poor will force labor to organize and take some of the gains through legislation as an altenative to starving in the streets. Given that the technology will also make coercing people to work mostly pointless, there may not be as much pressure against it as there historically has been. Altman seems to be publically thinking in this direction, given the early basic income research and the profit cap for OAI. I can’t pretend to know his private thoughts, but most people with any shred of empathy would be pushing for that in his shoes.
Of course, if this fails, we could also be headed for a permanent, robotically-enforced nightmare dystopia, which is a genuine concern. There doesn’t seem to be much middle-ground, and the train has no brakes.
The IP theft angle from the end of the article seems like a pointless distraction though. All human knowledge and innovation is based on what came before, whether AI is involved or not. By all accounts, the remixing process it applies is both mechanically and functionally similar to the remixing process that a new generation of artists applies to its forebears, and I’ve not seen any evidence that they are fundamentally different enough to qualify as theft, except in the normal Picasso sense.
Interesting times.
Empathy? In late-stage capitalism? 😏
I mean, so… I’m a software engineer who used to specialize in automation. I ended up having a crisis of conscience decades back, realizing that I was putting people out of work. “Hey, good job on that project, our client can afford to let 30 people go now!” never really felt like great praise to me. It actually felt really really shitty knowing the work I was doing was making it possible for the “nobility” to further gain back control of the “serfs”.
I figured that the only way this could ever benefit society as a whole instead of shareholders and owners would be if we moved more to a society with things like UBI, with perhaps the people who end up getting something extra being the ones who actually DO the dirty jobs and provide actual worth to society, instead of becoming obscenely wealthy at the expense of empathy and good human spirit. Unfortunately, at least here in the states, anything that smacks of “socialism” automatically equals dictatorship (glossing over that capitalism offers just as many examples of being abused by the “ruling” class). So there’s the whole zeitgeist to battle against before the comfortable and less-informed majority will even listen to anything that’s in their best interest.
As you say, interesting times indeed. I’m not hopeful that we’ll see that sort of shift in my lifetime however, sigh…
Yes, the second half is where the conversation gets interesting, by far.