It’s not even “Incognito” (what a misnomer too), this is a Gecko-based browser

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    2 years ago

    I feel like for straw poll it’s more valid, they probably do it to try and avoid people voting more than once.

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    “One vote per IP-address” - So they already tackled the problem that people can vote more then once.

    Straight-up asshole design.

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      Wouldn’t the better solution be to keep a log of previous client IPs, on the server side? Sure, VPN will circumvent it, but it’s much easier for me to clear a cookie 100 times then to connect to 100 different VPNs.

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        Not if you don’t know what cookies even are. Stops the regular Joe just fine

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          All it takes to swing a poll by 8,000 votes is one person that knows how to clear cookies. It’s not even about stopping regular joes.

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              50 votes in a browser would take an hour, but 5,000,000 votes in a browser’s dev tools would take an hour and fifteen minutes; it’s the kind of thing people can write a bit of code to do for them. (I’m a web dev, this doesn’t sound like a challenge to me if there’s no security)

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        You need to track the user for a poll. Sessions don’t work since private browsing enables duplicate votes. Tracking the IP can block users from the same network/wifi. Cookies get auto-sent and browser storage is only clientside. Really not many more options aside from making an account on a site and logging in. I find it a pretty reasonable solution actually.

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          Cookies fall short just the same as sessions. you’re asking the user to pinkie promise they won’t clear their cookies / modify them.

          An account seems the most logical. You need to avoid duplicates ; it’s not really about privacy here. You’ll only make a tradeoff between accomplishing no duplicates and letting users do what they want.

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    Cookies are not evil per se… but data mining companies made them like that.

    I’m administrating an online store and cookies are responsible for the customer’s cart, plus their user session / logged in state.

    As an admin I adhere to the “golden rule”, thus there are no creepy trackers on store. I don’t like them and I don’t want customers to face the same thing on websites that I manage.

    That said, cookies are needed for user session & fraud protection. Instead of nuking cookies we shall kick the trackers out.

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      Yea but all that kind of functionality can work with (permanent) private mode as well. I don’t use a lot of web services so I can log in when I need or make a pwa like with Lemmy here.

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    2 years ago

    Sites like this I just close the tab and use uBlacklist to hide them from any search results.

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      I’ll look into that. I believe web sites shouldn’t have any way to detect private mode, right?

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        I wonder if it tries to save a cookie then read it back? I don’t really know how any of this works but that sounds like a way to detect it that’s fairly infallible.

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          Writing a cookie and reading it back should work just fine even in incognito mode. It just gets deleted once incognito is closed.

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    2 years ago

    When I go to a site, and they do it, I avoid it at all the costs or never come back!

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    2 years ago

    Any websites that doesn’t just work with a simple ad blocker or still has ads I just close and never return.

    • 𝔼𝕩𝕦𝕤𝕚𝕒@lemmy.world
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      2 years ago

      “Oops! Looks like you’re using an adblocker! Please pay a subscription!”

      Oops looks like I’m gonna check the comments for someone who pasted your article for free!

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        Just don’t complain when people no longer write good articles because there’s no money in it

        • 𝔼𝕩𝕦𝕤𝕚𝕒@lemmy.world
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          Adblockers are borne of intrusive ads. If they were sidebar things like they used to be I’d be much less inclined to use one and just let them collect their ad revenue. Nowadays though there’s gotta be a video, a video embedded at the top, a pop-up ad, a break in an article every 10 lines of text for an ad, and then a delayed popup for when you get halfway down the page, PLUS the sidebar and banner ads.

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            Exactly, sidebar and banner are fine. If that’s all I see I’ll let it slide. The ones that make you stop reading to chase down the little black “x” on a pop up or separate the text with a wall of ad, fuck that shit.

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    It kind of makes sense for strawpoll, because without some sort of cookies, they wouldn’t know if the same person is voting multiple times. But they should say something like ‘incognito mode makes the votes inaccurate, please visit on normal mode’

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      One vote per IP-Address allowed.

      They already have your IP. “Incognito” mode doesn’t change that.

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        That does have the consequence of allowing only one person to vote per public IP, which on large networks may correspond to quite a lot of users.

        That probably doesn’t matter much for a simple internet straw poll, but I can imagine situations where IP-based uniqueness isn’t reliable enough.

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    It’s not pointless, it’s so they can track you.

    what a misnomer too

    It’s crazy how many people think “incognito mode” prevents people from seeing what websites they are visiting.

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    When is the world going to admit that by and large, internet advertising is garbage and doesn’t work? People are far more likely to buy whatever random crap sponsor is on their fav youtuber’s videos than anything from “targeted advertising”.

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    I agree mildly infuriating “pointless cookies” really - they make their money from advertising and tracking data, so they’ve made a choice.

    Interestingly, a choice that I’m pretty sure would fall foul of GDPR in Europe - but a choice.

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    There’s an extension that allows you to hide incognito mode from websites called Hide Private Mode I’m not sure why browsers don’t do this by default (maybe it’s some funny compliance thing) it would greatly improve privacy.

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      Thx. It’s weird, but I guess that’s now part of Firefox now, to be hypocrites.

      Also why the heck does the browser need to ping Google every time I launch a private session? I can’t even fathom a reasonable answer.