• etuomaala@sopuli.xyz
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    I thought in order for it to be a civil war, the Israelis would have to be fighting against other Israelis on their own land.

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      A sniper believed to be part of the Palestinian Authority (PA) forces shot and killed her friend, 22-year-old journalism student Shatha al-Sabbagh, a few days ago.

      This is the only information we have about the shooting from this article.

      • we don’t know who the sniper was
      • we don’t know why the sniper fired
      • we don’t know who else were present in the area, or whether the sniper fired on more people

      Without more information and context, there seems to be a considerable chance that the sniper, whoever he was, did not shoot al-Sabbagh because of being a journalist, but for some other reason (for example, mistaken identification). The outcome is equally bad for the person who died, but the situational picture that one can build from the information looks rather different.

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        Journalists are being systematically killed in both Gaza and the West Bank. We know for a fact that more journalists have been killed in this conflict than have died in the last 10 years of wars and conflicts. We’re past the point of scrutinizing every detail and nuance of a single journalist’s death before passing a verdict. It is clear that even if they are not intentionally targeting journalists, they certainly don’t seem to care if they happen to keep shooting them.

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          That is probably true and I do not dispute most of that.

          However, I disagree about it being unnecessary to know the details. If it’s about a specific person, there is a need to know where the bullet came from, who had opportunity and who had motive. (Besides the general lack of care about human life in the region.)

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      Hamas does not deserve winning.

      For a reality check, I recommend watching their stash of security camera videos where they torture fellow Palestinians, they were systematic about it. They have done it for long too, the first accusations were in 2012. The videos emerged when they lost control of Gaza.

      • In their rule of Gaza, Hamas used the methods of a dictatorship.
      • However, the PA is not a shining beacon of democracy - it’s an authoritarian regime.
      • On some years, something could have been said about Israel being a democracy, but their democracy has degraded - and being a democracy does not excuse war crimes.

      I hope a faction that is reasonable emerges out of the conflict and pushes the other factions aside without greater bloodshed.

      Given the context, my wish is not realistic… realistically, they will all lose, each in a different way.

  • NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io
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    Just to make it clear, these are the guys Biden (and most Westerners advocating for “diplomacy”) want to rule Palestine.