Summary

The UK has rejected Vladimir Putin’s apology over the Azerbaijan Airlines crash, which killed 38 people and injured 29, and called for a “full and independent” investigation.

The UK Foreign Office criticized Putin’s apology, stating it “fails to recognise that the reckless and irresponsible actions of the Russian State pose an acute and direct threat to the interests and national security of other states.”

The plane, en route from Baku to Grozny, crashed in Kazakhstan amid Russian air defense activity.

Evidence suggests it may have been misidentified and struck by a Russian missile.

  • Flying Squid@lemmy.worldM
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    73
    arrow-down
    4
    ·
    5 days ago

    Considering that this is what now, the fourth “misidentified” plane struck by a Russian missile? I think it’s less a case of misidentification and more a case of weapons testing.

    • VeganCheesecake@lemmy.blahaj.zone
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      4
      ·
      3 days ago

      I don’t see any evidence for it not being accidental. There isn’t really a good reason for them to shoot down random passenger planes, and a lot of reasons for avoiding that. I also don’t find it hard to believe that there are problems with equipment quality and training.

      Still, absolutely horrific.

    • SomeoneSomewhere@lemmy.nz
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      8
      arrow-down
      48
      ·
      5 days ago

      There’s still a lot of flights through Russian territory.

      Korean 007 could have been intentional (I believe the pilot involved still claims it was a military plane) but Hanlon’s razor still applies here. They’re firing a lot of SAMs at many targets without good controls.

      The US is barely better; they shot down one (nearly two) of their own fighters about a week ago and then there’s the Vincennes incident.

      • mean_bean279@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        64
        arrow-down
        4
        ·
        5 days ago

        Really digging with the “US is barely better” by going back to 1988…

        This fighter jet incident last month was definitely an unexpected incident, but a far cry from shooting a civilian aircraft out of either our own airspace, or a surrounding sovereign country’s airspace.

        This whataboutism is hilarious if not so misguided simply for trying to say “America bad too.”

        Honestly, why even bring up the US? It’s not like as if these stories have to do with us…

        • NOT_RICK@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          9
          arrow-down
          2
          ·
          5 days ago

          They could have mentioned Ukrainian Airlines 752 which is far more topical albeit tangentially related

        • limer@lemmy.dbzer0.com
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          6
          arrow-down
          32
          ·
          5 days ago

          Then there was that Iranian passenger jet destroyed by the USA navy; killing more than all the downed jets by Russia this decade.

          https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Air_Flight_655

          Not to mention the utter contempt of life by the USA Air Force in any year.

          I’m not saying the USA is terrible in general, but it’s really easy to find counter example of callous unfeeling behavior, something all large aggressive countries share more or less equally

          • mean_bean279@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            31
            arrow-down
            2
            ·
            5 days ago

            You’ve mentioned the same thing as the original comment.

            What does the US have to do with this story? Why are we bringing up something from 36 years ago when I can go online and find like 5 different stories on planes Russia has shot out of the sky in the last like 10 years? You’re giving their shitty shoot first and don’t say shit later policy a pass by bringing up a geo-political rival that adds nothing to the conversation.

            • limer@lemmy.dbzer0.com
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              4
              arrow-down
              26
              ·
              5 days ago

              Because the thread was talking about that, and I accidentally posted in the wrong community. I normally block this due to its outrageous USA bias, yucky patriotism, narrow focus, outrageous mods, etc.

              I’ll see myself out now… and will block world again after I deleted my block list

      • lolcatnip@reddthat.com
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        2
        arrow-down
        1
        ·
        3 days ago

        Hanlon’s razor does not apply when politics are involved. Especially with Russia, since we know their military is full of murderous assholes.