• INHALE_VEGETABLES@aussie.zone
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      14 days ago

      I can’t see our Australian coast. We are girt by sea so it should show up and there’s space on the map for it.

      But yeah regardless this is a very cool map.

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        14 days ago

        Yeah but none of our coast is the edge of a time zone (unless it showed daylight saving), so we’re invisible. Kind of cool.

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        14 days ago

        It took me quite a while to find, because it’s a lot further north than you’d expect.

        But you can see the NT and SA coastlines, as well as the western edge of Cape York Peninsula, and the slightly shifted time zone between western and central time, and the kinked border of Queensland with NT/SA.

        The massive wide Chinese time zone is the same zone as WA, and Australia is just south of the narrowest part of that time zone.

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          Ok so this raises a question that I couldn’t answer satisfactorily myself by googling.
          Are deviations to time zones a land thing?

          What I mean is that the Northern Territory in Australia follows UTC +9.5, despite being in what would be considered the +9 band.
          OP’s map shows the NT border, but the wiki image on time zones shows the boundary of the time zone extending into the sea between it and Indonesia.

          Does the time zone change (between +9 and +9.5) when I step foot in the NT, or does it follow something like the Exclusive Economic Zone?

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            14 days ago

            Great question. This article seems to imply that nautical time zones are used when outside of any country’s “terrestrial waters”, and this one says they apply “on the high seas”.

            Following that lead, it looks like both those terms mean when outside any country’s EEZ, with the caveat that the former might also refer to the “extended continental shelf”.

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              14 days ago

              Really interesting!
              I did a bit more searching and found This article, where the author intentionally used EEZ boundaries to make a time zone map that incorporates sovereignty.
              He stated that currently Maritime time zones are randomly drawn straight lines on a map, that aren’t representative of the country that’s forcing change.

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                14 days ago

                randomly drawn straight lines on a map

                I mean, they’re not random. They’re regularly spaced such that there are 24 each at 15 degree increments, such that the Prime Meridian runs through the centre of one zone, and the idealised form of the International Date Line runs through the centre of the opposite one (and then also the one through which the IDL runs gets split in 2).

                But thanks for the link, that was a really interesting read!

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                  Perhaps random was the wrong choice of words. The construction of the theoretical time zones is completely non-random. Some of the country specific changes seem to be though.

                  I was thinking of the time zone carveouts that wrap around some islands - like Kiribati, where the IDL swings around it with giant straight lines that don’t resemble it’s EEZ. How were they decided? I can’t seem to find anything on it.

                  Seems though, for most international ocean travel, it doesn’t matter (per your excellent links- thankyou). Ships just use an idealized date line at 180 until they hit an EEZ and will use that if they need to communicate with that country.