Diplomats walk out on Israeli prime minister’s speech at UN to protest against devastating war on Gaza and latest attacks on Lebanon

  • Vertelleus@sh.itjust.works
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    3 months ago

    Cool, but did you stop giving money and weapons yet? No? Then your statement is as effective as “thoughts and prayers.”

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      3 months ago

      The UN definitely has its problems but I’m not going to blame UN global representatives for the US paving the unilateral support for the genocidal terrorist nation state of Israel.

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      3 months ago

      The UN does not supply arms to Israel. The UN has passed many resolutions condemning Israel’s treatment of the Palestinians, going back decades. They have literally already done everything the UN can do, many times over. They weren’t a governing body with binding powers over where the US sends arms, or who France chooses to support.

      So I’d have to say that your comment is less effective than their walkout, because it isn’t even properly informed.

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        3 months ago

        Thoughts and prayers for the world?

        The primary purpose of the United Nations (UN) is to maintain international peace and security. It aims to take effective collective measures to prevent and remove threats to peace, suppress acts of aggression, and settle international disputes peacefully, in accordance with principles of justice and international law.

        • KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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          3 months ago

          brother AI is a solution to “solve all of your business problems with your business and elevate your business to a level above all other businesses” are you unironically reading marketing speak this straight?

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            3 months ago

            The veto power in the UN makes it not functional. When China, Russia, France, The United Kingdom, or the United States veto something it’s done, without debate or “peaceful resolution.”

            Veto power in the UN.

            US using it’s veto power 34 times against ending the war in Gaza.

            Russia using it’s veto power against using war in Ukraine.

            When the big kids in the playground can do everything they want there is no space for debate or peaceful resolution, everyone else just shows up.

            • KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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              well yeah, you don’t want everyone to have veto power, because then nothing happens ever. The idea behind a few people having veto powers to is to establish some sort of protection for the big players, since they’re likely to be the most contested, though depending on how you set up the legislation and member functionality of it this may not be relevant at all.

              TBF i have little to no knowledge of how the UN works, just that it is a thing.

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              People are indoctrinated to believe that because votes are involved the process is somehow magically subject to meaningful reform and input from the masses.

              A process where people were meaningfully enfranchised wouldn’t need to rely on something so abstract as votes. Voting is a process by which people are convinced to trade in their actual power in exchange for a piece of paper.

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                  Thanks, I don’t think it’s worded quite right though, because “in exchange for” implies the vote itself does something. The reality is that people are convinced to give away their power because they believe in the piece of paper.

                  The oiece of paper itself is almost worthless.

                  I only say that because I’m sure someone will want to split hairs over it.

              • KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                A process where people were meaningfully enfranchised wouldn’t need to rely on something so abstract as votes.

                how is this one supposed to work? Just curious, since voting seems to be the only real method of direct representation, unless you’re suggesting a global at will military force, which, would be a thing.

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                  3 months ago

                  Federated communities that make decisions on consensus, with the fundamental rule that “those affected get to decide”.

                  There’s a lot more to it and there’s a lot to unpack in just the above paragraph, but if the only alternative you can imagine is a global military dictatorship then it’s hard to know where to even start explaining it to be quite honest.

                  • KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                    global military dictatorship

                    it’s not necessarily a global military dictatorship. Although that would be one aspect of it.

                    Currently i would argue that global geopolitics IS a federated system of operations, that’s why wars and conflicts happen.

                    piracy is kill on lemmy.world, dbzer0 hasn’t killed it. There are many examples here.