Summary
The UK has rejected Vladimir Putin’s apology over the Azerbaijan Airlines crash, which killed 38 people and injured 29, and called for a “full and independent” investigation.
The UK Foreign Office criticized Putin’s apology, stating it “fails to recognise that the reckless and irresponsible actions of the Russian State pose an acute and direct threat to the interests and national security of other states.”
The plane, en route from Baku to Grozny, crashed in Kazakhstan amid Russian air defense activity.
Evidence suggests it may have been misidentified and struck by a Russian missile.
Considering that this is what now, the fourth “misidentified” plane struck by a Russian missile? I think it’s less a case of misidentification and more a case of weapons testing.
I don’t see any evidence for it not being accidental. There isn’t really a good reason for them to shoot down random passenger planes, and a lot of reasons for avoiding that. I also don’t find it hard to believe that there are problems with equipment quality and training.
Still, absolutely horrific.
And yet, like I said, this “accident” keeps happening. And only Russia keeps “accidentally” shooting down passenger jets.
I get the point, though I feel uncomfortable making such accusations without concrete evidence.
Also, it would just be really stupid to be doing that on purpose.
And yet no other country has “accidentally” shot down passenger jets repeatedly. Only Russia has this sort of “accident.”
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_airliner_shootdown_incidents
There’s a few, but yeah, the majority of recent ones are Russian/Russian-alligned. I’m not sure there’s another battlefield with an equal amount of civilian air traffic and air defense systems, though.
And really shoddy equipment
There’s still a lot of flights through Russian territory.
Korean 007 could have been intentional (I believe the pilot involved still claims it was a military plane) but Hanlon’s razor still applies here. They’re firing a lot of SAMs at many targets without good controls.
The US is barely better; they shot down one (nearly two) of their own fighters about a week ago and then there’s the Vincennes incident.
Really digging with the “US is barely better” by going back to 1988…
This fighter jet incident last month was definitely an unexpected incident, but a far cry from shooting a civilian aircraft out of either our own airspace, or a surrounding sovereign country’s airspace.
This whataboutism is hilarious if not so misguided simply for trying to say “America bad too.”
Honestly, why even bring up the US? It’s not like as if these stories have to do with us…
They could have mentioned Ukrainian Airlines 752 which is far more topical albeit tangentially related
Then there was that Iranian passenger jet destroyed by the USA navy; killing more than all the downed jets by Russia this decade.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Air_Flight_655
Not to mention the utter contempt of life by the USA Air Force in any year.
I’m not saying the USA is terrible in general, but it’s really easy to find counter example of callous unfeeling behavior, something all large aggressive countries share more or less equally
You’ve mentioned the same thing as the original comment.
What does the US have to do with this story? Why are we bringing up something from 36 years ago when I can go online and find like 5 different stories on planes Russia has shot out of the sky in the last like 10 years? You’re giving their shitty shoot first and don’t say shit later policy a pass by bringing up a geo-political rival that adds nothing to the conversation.
Because the thread was talking about that, and I accidentally posted in the wrong community. I normally block this due to its outrageous USA bias, yucky patriotism, narrow focus, outrageous mods, etc.
I’ll see myself out now… and will block world again after I deleted my block list
Hanlon’s razor does not apply when politics are involved. Especially with Russia, since we know their military is full of murderous assholes.
The plane, en route from Baku to Grozny, crashed in Kazakhstan amid Russian air defense activity.
The lengths people will go to avoid saying “shot down”.
The number four reactor at Chornobyl NPP ceased operating amid an unplanned disassembly of some of its critical systems.
“Officials say that the radiation release at chernobyl was not good, but not terrible”
👍 sallright
Fairly sure was actually shut down on purpose. Russia is like that.
They don’t need a reason, they just need a missile, and they certainly have a missile.
It was a flight on the way to Russia with plenty of Russians on board. I doubt they take pleasure in shooting down their countrymen, if anything.
They in the sense of all Russians? All Russian soldiers? I don’t think we should let the current conflict, caused by decisions of authoritarian leadership, lead us into vilifying a whole people.
Probably mistook it for a military plane and didn’t bother to confirm, same as with MH17.
What do you mean “they don’t need a reason”? Are you insane?
I assume the qualifier “…that makes sense to anyone else” was implicit.
This person(and you, presumably) says that a civilian aircraft, belonging to a nation that Russia wants to keep in it’s sphere of influence and has no reason to offend was shot down on purpose, despite the fact that any such case is a cause for suspicion and apprehension just because they are evil, basically.
That is what they meant, I’m pretty sure, that there is no point trying to understand what Russia does, it just does stuff because they are evil, so every fact should be interpreted in a way that makes them the most evil.
In any case, why shouldn’t their motives make sense to anyone else? They are not aliens, are they?
Even Russians admit that Russia is an unpredictable entity that is only interested in causing chaos.
I recommend doing some research on it because you clearly don’t know what you’re talking about, which is pathetic because it’s literally the easiest subject matter in the world to be informed on. Does Russia (Putin) do evil things? Yes, all the fucking time. See, violation of Human rights in Ukraine, not counting the invasion of Ukraine itself, the whole Salisbury thing, the use of desperate immigrants as a weapon, kidnapping children, hacking or otherwise manipulating other nations elections, sending their own people into a battlefield with absolutely no equipment, persecution of particular ethnic groups within their own country, assassination of political rivals.
In comparison China is a minor irritation and a copyright troll
But all these things you’ve listed above had specific, self-evident purposes, regardless of the ethics of the actions.
So that doesn’t support your argument that Russia just does random chaotic shit for the sake of it - in fact it does the opposite, suggesting that Russia acts.
As an aside, there was absolutely no reason to be calling the other person “pathetic” for having a differing perspective to you; they were responding politely and in good faith.
In my previous comment I said that thinking Russia does evil things just because it is evil for no real reason is ridiculous and he just proved my point by doubling down on it and making it seem even more silly.
In any case, I can’t help but wonder how a sane adult individual can actually believe that. This is not lord of the rings, and Russia is not Mordor.
Even MI6 say they believe that it was a deliberate attack.
Weston is like to think that Russia can be in some way understood on our level but it’s just not the case.
You can try and discredit that by calling it “evil” and ll using infantilizing language but the fact remains they are just like that, they are chaotic simply to destabilize everyone else. They don’t really have an ulterior motive other than destabilization the chaos that they cause is the objective it isn’t in aid of anything.
Yes
what does the UK have to do with this?? they’re not a global power like they think they are anymore
I agree with your characterisation of the UK, but I also think that any country denouncing another’s actions has power — it may affect how other countries actions towards Russia if nothing else.
It’s not like the US is going to do anything about it. So being a big international superpower basically doesn’t count for anything here.
NATO member with nuclear strike capability who have a “special relationship” with daddy America.
Yeah they’re definitely weak
…and permanent member of the UN security council.
Perhaps not, but who knows about Putin’s values.
Russians used to respect the UK at least.
And, well, technically, Charles III is the had of the Commonwealth of Nations despite it being just symbolic. That’s a third of the population or the world.
